Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast
Results 26 to 50 of 67
  1. #26
    Veteran
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Post Count
    5,544
    You don't get the raises in S&Ts either.
    Not only that, but the difference between 4.5% and 7.5% raises are insignificant for a guy who isn't making max money. Starting at $5mm year 1, the difference is under $1mm over a four year deal ($22.365 vs. $21.390 million). You'd essentially be able to bridge the difference by offering $5.2mm instead in year 1 ... only matters if trying to squeeze in under cap.

    Would make a difference though if teams are planning on giving him the full MLE.

  2. #27
    Believe.
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Post Count
    6,599
    this cap projection increase would be a great news to give Spurs flexibility to not give up Paty / Cory
    Cory is pretty much a goner if the Spurs want Aldridge. Patty can yet be saved.

  3. #28
    Believe.
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Post Count
    22,886
    Cory is pretty much a goner if the Spurs want Aldridge. Patty can yet be saved.
    They still have the MLE. It's not over at Aldridge. Patty isn't going anywhere.

  4. #29
    Veteran Raven's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Post Count
    17,954
    if i'm correct, we can match cojo's offer and go over the cap with it, so he's not really relevant in the LA discussion.

  5. #30
    Believe.
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Post Count
    6,599
    They still have the MLE. It's not over at Aldridge. Patty isn't going anywhere.
    I am assuming the room exception will be used on Manu. Don't know if it will go to Joseph since the room exception is like $2-3 million. Joseph can get more than that. Rather have Manu back anyways.

    If you are thinking about the full MLE, that is not available to teams under the cap.

  6. #31
    Believe.
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Post Count
    6,599
    if i'm correct, we can match cojo's offer and go over the cap with it, so he's not really relevant in the LA discussion.
    No, right now Joseph's cap hold is at $5 million. He must be renounced to make room for a LMA max. One his rights are renounced, Joseph will be a free agent and the Spurs will have no cap space to re-sign him.

  7. #32
    Believe.
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Post Count
    22,886
    I am assuming the room exception will be used on Manu. Don't know if it will go to Joseph since the room exception is like $2-3 million. Joseph can get more than that. Rather have Manu back anyways.

    If you are thinking about the full MLE, that is not available to teams under the cap.
    Room exception is not the MLE. That report has Manu signing for $2.8m. MLE was pushing $6m last year.

  8. #33
    Believe.
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Post Count
    6,599
    Room exception is not the MLE. That report has Manu signing for $2.8m. MLE was pushing $6m last year.
    If you are thinking about the full MLE, that is not available to teams under the cap.

  9. #34
    Veteran Mel_13's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Post Count
    14,367
    if i'm correct, we can match cojo's offer and go over the cap with it, so he's not really relevant in the LA discussion.
    Nope. They're going to have to renounce Joseph to sign Aldridge with cap space. (Unless Tim plays for the minimum.)

  10. #35
    Veteran AFBlue's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Post Count
    10,868
    What if they trade Mills? Could they keep Joseph then?

  11. #36
    Veteran
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Post Count
    9,195
    Why would you want CoJo over Mills?

  12. #37
    Believe.
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Post Count
    22,886
    And if they do not use the room exception then the MLE becomes available when they sign aldridge and go over the cap.

    NON-TAXPAYER MID-LEVEL EXCEPTION -- This exception is available only when a team is below the "apron" (i.e., not paying luxury tax, or less than $4 million above the tax line). This determination is made after the exception is used, so a team below the apron cannot use this exception if doing so takes it above the apron. It cannot be used by a team that has already used the Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception or the Room Mid-Level exception. It allows a team to sign any free agent to a contract with a starting salary up to the following amounts.
    They should be able to push it up near the apron if they want.

  13. #38
    tangina ka, though FireMicoHalili's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Post Count
    1,569
    plot twist: They don't let the cap jump next year

  14. #39
    Veteran Mel_13's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Post Count
    14,367
    And if they do not use the room exception then the MLE becomes available when they sign aldridge and go over the cap.



    They should be able to push it up near the apron if they want.
    Nope. It's very simple. In order for a team to use cap space to sign free agents, they lose the MLE. It doesn't matter if they subsequently go over the cap. In one NBA year, a team can use cap space or the MLE. Never both.

  15. #40
    Believe.
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Post Count
    6,599
    And if they do not use the room exception then the MLE becomes available when they sign aldridge and go over the cap.
    Do you have a source for that? What you quoted is not relevant.

    The MLE is only available for teams over the cap. As it stands, the Spurs are under the cap because they will use cap space to outright sign Aldridge. Therefore the Spurs only get the room exception. No articles I've read have the Spurs getting this full MLE. It makes sense, a team can't sign big name free agents and still have the full MLE to work with afterwards.

  16. #41
    Believe.
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Post Count
    22,886
    Do you have a source for that? What you quoted is not relevant.

    The MLE is only available for teams over the cap. As it stands, the Spurs are under the cap because they will use cap space to outright sign Aldridge. Therefore the Spurs only get the room exception. No articles I've read have the Spurs getting this full MLE. It makes sense, a team can't sign big name free agents and still have the full MLE to work with afterwards.
    And the determination is made when the exception is used. IOW, you get only one of the 3 MLE's.

    http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q25

    Given what it says when it was determined so if we do not use it on Manu now then we can use it after presumably Aldridge, KL, and Green sign and we are in the midlevel range. At that point the apron will act as a hard cap.

  17. #42
    Believe.
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Post Count
    22,886
    Nope. It's very simple. In order for a team to use cap space to sign free agents, they lose the MLE. It doesn't matter if they subsequently go over the cap. In one NBA year, a team can use cap space or the MLE. Never both.
    Alright well the faq is ambiguous then.

  18. #43
    Believe.
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Post Count
    22,886
    nm I kept reading:

    If a team is below the cap, then its Disabled Player, Bi-Annual, Mid-Level (either the Taxpayer or Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level, whichever applies to the team) and/or trade exceptions are added to their team salary, and the league treats the team as though they are over the cap1. This is to prevent a loophole, in a manner similar to free agent amounts (see question number 39).

  19. #44
    Veteran Mel_13's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Post Count
    14,367
    Alright well the faq is ambiguous then.
    Perhaps, but it's cap space or MLE, never both.

  20. #45
    Believe.
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Post Count
    22,886
    Perhaps, but it's cap space or MLE, never both.
    It's more like you get one exception based on where you start at or you get no exception at all.

    I'm curious to see what they do with those remaining spots. Belli and Baynes most certainly need to renounced to make the salaries work. We could match an offer Joseph gets presumably.

  21. #46
    Veteran Mel_13's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Post Count
    14,367
    It's more like you get one exception based on where you start at or you get no exception at all.

    I'm curious to see what they do with those remaining spots. Belli and Baynes most certainly need to renounced to make the salaries work. We could match an offer Joseph gets presumably.
    If a team uses cap space, they get the room exception. If a team is over the cap they get the non-taxpayer or taxpayer MLE.

    If Aldridge is signed with cap space, Joseph will almost certainly be renounced. The only way to keep him would be if Duncan played for the room exception or for the minimum.

    Signing Aldridge will cost multiple role players from last year's team. Players that will have to be replaced by minimum salary players.

  22. #47
    The Dude minds DPG21920's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Post Count
    77,863
    Oh Fuzzy!

  23. #48
    Believe.
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Post Count
    22,886
    If a team uses cap space, they get the room exception. If a team is over the cap they get the non-taxpayer or taxpayer MLE.

    If Aldridge is signed with cap space, Joseph will almost certainly be renounced. The only way to keep him would be if Duncan played for the room exception or for the minimum.

    Signing Aldridge will cost multiple role players from last year's team. Players that will have to be replaced by minimum salary players.
    That is what I just said. Thanks for the discussion though.

  24. #49
    Believe.
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Post Count
    22,886
    Sup Grit&grind. How you doing?

  25. #50
    The Dude minds DPG21920's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Post Count
    77,863
    Sup Grit&grind. How you doing?
    Oh Fuzzy!

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •