There was a tweet a couple pages back that no current Hawks were involved in the deal, so probably not much they can send other than picks and/or maybe Tavares (but that seems doubtful).
Well, the Spurs may have got something, considering that it is rare to get a skilled center for under $10 million/year.
My take though is, the Spurs got something that can't translate immediately as a contribution. Maybe there's some dude that the Hawks have stashed away in Europe, who knows!
It's possible, but it's equally likely that the Spurs aren't willing to part with Splitter if Aldridge doesn't sign, and they're completely within their rights to have told Bud that the trade was contingent upon that transaction.
I don't know if it works like selling a house. If it were contingent on something that is outside the control of the Hawks, then it would be announced. Also, shouldn't the Hawks at least give up something?
I don't know. If you and I are general managers, and I say, "I might get player A, but I'll have to trade player B", and you say, "Hey, I'll take player B if that happens", and I say, "Okay", and we have this conversation during a league-mandated moratorium, are we allowed to do that? I don't see why not. The media reported it because nothing has been submitted to the league, because it can't be. I don't understand why people think that the Spurs are bound to anything just because someone tweeted about the agreement.
Looks to me like a done deal (details pending).
Bud got a sweat deal. Splitter seems to be injured every season, but there are plenty of other centers who are just like that. Bud knows the details and is more than willing to add a legit center to his roster.
The Spurs need to clear cap space for someone. Is that Aldridge or was it for West? Problem now is the team doesn't have a center to match up against the likes of Howard or the Memphis bigs.
They're not allowed to file the paperwork for seven more days. It is, by definition, NOT a done deal. Details pending is from a media report. If a girl in the office calls Marc Stein and reports to him that the Hawks made a trade, it doesn't make it official when Stein talks about it on ESPN Radio.
Do you have a previous instance of a trade like this being rescinded other than because of some discovered injury?
Again. The point. This is a moratorium. It's not a trade. It is just a conversation that was reported. There were phone conversations between general managers long before Twitter.
There are all kinds of examples of agreed to deals being rescinded in this time period. What I think you are not considering is that Bud fully understands that he isn't getting Splitter for free if LMA falls through.
That may not be the deal but it is just as plausible if not more so than the backstabbing idea.
Looking like two summers in a row with major -ups by the FO.
you usually never hear about it because teams aren't so friendly. It's buyer beware and it's usually instant. This is special,
Legally, in order to have a contract you need to have : words of the party or agent or a written contract. What do we have here? Media, people with no connection to the team and a penchant, no a fetish for getting trolled by "sources"
And I don't think the spurs under pop have ever done that, even with injury. Charles Smith was failing his physical and pop didn't cancel, he just squeezed money out of the Knicks.
And I have vague memories of pop being furious at being betrayed like that with agents and I think the clippers, don't think he would mess with bud like that
What doesn't make sense is that there are a ton of teams looking for a decent center. I mean, the Pistons who already have a center acquired Baynes for $20m (3 years). We are talking here about the center of the team that won the championship just 2 seasons ago.
So to give away Splitter for nothing absolutely doesn't make sense.
Any fan can look with hope towards the moratorium. , the spurs can still sign Lebron for the minimum. Nothing's been sent to the league with the Cavs after all
, I hope splitters back if LMA declines. That would be great news.
But am I supposed to think that Bud, who is wholly responsible for the Hawks le hopes, is going to screw himself out of signing or trading for other bigs with that cap space just to help out the spurs? Instead of getting a guarantee handshake with rc and pop that the deal will be consummated no matter what, he's going to pass on Brendan Wright and Ed David and all these other options just to be cool.
And if LMA doesn't sign with SA July 9, then pop says, "oops, no deal, sorry bro" and Bud is happily left holding a bag of crap, with all the other options off the table and all that cap space disappearing when new deals are signed with milsap and tavares and such. Maybe he can pull off another trade, but is Bud really going to hold his own team hostage to the spurs without a promise?
I agree with you here, Splitter is as good as gone.
The only open question is, what did the Spurs get in return. If they got nothing, then it was a bad deal!
Also, why is Jeff McDonald tweeting about trading for other players with that freed up call space if LMA doesn't sign instead of talking up the return of splitter? I know he's Jeff McDonald and not very good at spurs news, but I would think the return of splitter in an either/or scenario would be something he'd put out there.
That's a good point. I don't think you could get someone to potentially commit assets for several days just for nothing, but if it doesn't interfere with Bud's plans, there's no rule specifically forbidding it.
agreed, Spliiter is gone
I don't think I have ever seen a deal being cancelled by either party after exposing to the public
That's kind of a move.
One thing to understand is that this trade hasn't been announced. It's been leaked. That means that it's very possible that it's being misrepresented. Obviously, they don't even know who's coming back in the deal from Atlanta, which to me implies that the "source" who leaked the deal has been silenced. If the deal were finalized (fully agreed to) and not contingent on anything, I don't think either side would really care if it got leaked. But leaking tentative info leads to situations like this, and I think that's why we haven't heard more.
As far as breaking the agreement goes, I don't think it's a big deal. Besides it being very possible for the two teams to have explicitly agreed to the contingency (so no "Sorry Bud, change of plans" talk would be need), I doubt Atlanta were planning on signing those guys anyway. They've sat on cap space before, and I think they're probably looking for another bargain value as it is. It's also possible they feel Splitter is so good that he's worth waiting on (the same way the Spurs and other teams feel LMA is worth waiting on).
Another thing to consider is that the possible compensation for Splitter may depend on LMA's status. The Spurs might be willing to let him go regardless, but Pop and Bud agreed that if the Spurs don't end up needing the space, the Hawks will pay up more for him. That can also explain why we haven't heard anything about the assets coming back to the Spurs yet.
Seems like there's too much mystery to say that this trade is finalized yet. I think it's very possible that the agreement sort of fizzles out if LMA picks someone else. The Spurs will move on to West, and Atlanta will grab another guy from Europe to be their fourth big.
Pound the Rock has all the gory details:
"The compensation they will get from the Hawks will be a future pick or the rights to a stashed player, meaning Splitter's salary will be completely removed from the Spurs cap sheet."
In summary, no player coming back.
First, PtR sucks.
Second, that's not "gory details" at all. It's like the opposite.
So we traded our best power forward defender and best big pick and roll defending big for ??? Maybe the Spurs plan is to play more small ball?
I hope not and I hope they get LA since they traded him... Please don't let this be a huge mistake and a disastrous offseason where you let Banger and Tiago go and get some bum in return as a FA like Ayres.
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