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    Excellent take. The Suns are so desperate that they think want a guy that they have to treat that way, and the Spurs are starting to look at each other, wondering if they might be better off if he chose Phoenix. There will be other free agents, there will be other offseasons.

    Yep. If he really wanted to be here, he would already be here. He knows the Spurs organization, and he knows they give him the best chance of winning it all, out of any of the teams that can pay him. He should have made the decision soon enough to allow the Spurs to take a shot at a couple more players to play with him. He's looking for a way to convince himself to go to a bigger market.

    If he isn't committed here, him When the Spurs beat his new team, he can go home and watch himself in a commercial.

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    Bowen was a key to a few of their runs from harassing Kobe in 03 to Billups the last few games in 05 etc., lets not forget his work in the Suns series back then as well when he would cut off Nash. I guess its easy to forget now? He also harassed Bron in those finals, he was a huge key to 3 les on that D end and hit some timely threes. One of the originsl 3D players.
    Rather, I think it's easy to look back at those things and overrate them. Bowen didn't really slow guys down as much as people remember he did. Most guys hit their average against him, but they "had to work hard for it". That was what people thought good defense was back then. Nowadays, it's very possible to pretty much shut down almost every player (prime Lebron being the exception because he's the best basketball player who's ever lived). The standards are completely different now, and in that light, Bowen just wasn't as impressive as people recall him being. Either Green or Leonard on the team during that span would have made the Spurs a better team.

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    Rather, I think it's easy to look back at those things and overrate them. Bowen didn't really slow guys down as much as people remember he did. Most guys hit their average against him, but they "had to work hard for it". That was what people thought good defense was back then. Nowadays, it's very possible to pretty much shut down almost every player (prime Lebron being the exception because he's the best basketball player who's ever lived). The standards are completely different now, and in that light, Bowen just wasn't as impressive as people recall him being. Either Green or Leonard on the team during that span would have made the Spurs a better team.
    It's not that standards have changed, that's ludicrous. It's that there are few superior shooting guards in the league right now.

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    Rather, I think it's easy to look back at those things and overrate them. Bowen didn't really slow guys down as much as people remember he did. Most guys hit their average against him, but they "had to work hard for it". That was what people thought good defense was back then. Nowadays, it's very possible to pretty much shut down almost every player (prime Lebron being the exception because he's the best basketball player who's ever lived). The standards are completely different now, and in that light, Bowen just wasn't as impressive as people recall him being. Either Green or Leonard on the team during that span would have made the Spurs a better team.
    Leonard and Green are great but Bowen would allow players their average ppg on more shots attempted and frustrated the out of them doing it. I remember 05 Finals when Pop rotated him over to Billups and he shot very poorly, that might have saved the le along with Horry. Bowen was very good in his day.

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    So, who's up for another day of this? Got the smoker going and plenty of booze.

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    So, who's up for another day of this? Got the smoker going and plenty of booze.
    Hopefully this will be the last one. At this point though, Spurs have to stay the process since the reward would be greater than moving on.

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    Went through this with Dwight, and some other Free agents. Most of the time these big time FA don't announce til after July 4th. Be patient. He'll be a Spur.

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    Hopefully this will be the last one. At this point though, Spurs have to stay the process since the reward would be greater than moving on.
    The grill is going to get fired up here also. I predict an announcement this afternoon.

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    So, who's up for another day of this? Got the smoker going and plenty of booze.
    I'm in.

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    Its nearly 40 degrees Celsius outside ... I am not going anywhere

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    Its nearly 40 degrees Celsius outside ... I am not going anywhere
    Same here. I feel like i am gonna melt.

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    Its nearly 40 degrees Celsius outside ... I am not going anywhere
    that sucks. 64 F (18 C) where i am right now but its only 7 a.m. Will get up to 79 F (26 C) today

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    I promise you Pop will not be doing any more recruiting of the guy and I'm sure he told him the Spurs would be moving on without him in a day or two. Pop is military so when I saw him smiling and joking over lunch I bet he was seething inside. Im sure he hates schmoozing some kid. We should proceed with West or go for Hibbert regardless.

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    I promise you pop will not be doing any more recruiting of the guy and I'm sure he told him the Spurs would be moving on without him in a day or two. Pop is military so when I saw him smiling and joking over lunch I bet he was seething inside. We should proceed with West or go for Hibbert regardless.
    Hibbert is such a piece of , I'd rather start Bonner. The Spurs can't afford to pull out of the LMA sweepstakes right now. If he goes back to Portland oh well, it's a chance the Spurs are forced to take now with no other good options out there.

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    I promise you Pop will not be doing any more recruiting of the guy and I'm sure he told him the Spurs would be moving on without him in a day or two. Pop is military so when I saw him smiling and joking over lunch I bet he was seething inside. Im sure he hates schmoozing some kid. We should proceed with West or go for Hibbert regardless.
    doubt it. And LMA isn't a kid.

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    I bet PATFO are willing to wait for LMA to make a decision. They're pretty much committed to him at this point.

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    LMA is 30 years old almost, he's not a kid

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    I promise you Pop will not be doing any more recruiting of the guy and I'm sure he told him the Spurs would be moving on without him in a day or two. Pop is military so when I saw him smiling and joking over lunch I bet he was seething inside. Im sure he hates schmoozing some kid. We should proceed with West or go for Hibbert regardless.
    I don't know why Spurs fans think Pop's personality is that of the Marine colonel Jack Nicholson played in A Few Good Men.

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    I don't know why Spurs fans think Pop's personality is that of the Marine colonel Jack Nicholson played in A Few Good Men.
    Because they can't handle the truth.

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    Multiple sources tell me that a sign and trade with the Clippers for Aldridge could be happening. Expect a Wojtek announcement within the next couple of hours.

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    Multiple sources tell me that a sign and trade with the Clippers for Aldridge could be happening. Expect a Wojtek announcement within the next couple of hours.
    I heard the Hornets.

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    Pop is stubborn, but not stupid. I think he knows LMA will give a decision very soon and Pop isn't worried about the timing.

    When I saw the lunch pics I was encouraged. I took two things from Pop's demeanor.
    1. Pop believes LMA is going to come on board
    and/or
    2. Pop was genuinely interested in meeting and talking with LMA to get to know him and share stuf.

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    I heard the Hornets.
    Panathanaikos.

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    I heard the Hornets.
    Nope. The Toros.

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    From ClutchFans,

    "Head to spurstalk forums. They're in meltdown mode over there. Their own mod is actually a troll. It's ridiculous how that forum is managed. Makes me appreciate this forum much more."

    "I just read some of that....there's a "depression" thread where they're talking about if it's legal to back out of the splitter trade. Gave me warm fussy feelings reading it."

    "Lord what a horrible forum. So many lame trolls, zero legit info, 70% is just 13 year old humor."

    "Losing (Josh) Smith to the Spurs would be the absolute worst thing to happen to us."
    Lmao. ST is the best NBA forum on the web. This site actually has knowledgeable posters who really know basketball. The do rockets and their fans know about basketball? They haven't been relevant in like 20 years.

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