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    I was under the impression the Spurs can sign Manu even if they go over the cap... isn't that what Bird rights are for?

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    I was under the impression the Spurs can sign Manu even if they go over the cap... isn't that what Bird rights are for?
    There's very chance they'll reup Manu with Bird rights. Those come with cap holds, which would make it pretty hard to sign LMA and keep everyone together.

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    I was under the impression the Spurs can sign Manu even if they go over the cap... isn't that what Bird rights are for?
    They would have to be under the cap including Manu's cap hold. Renouncing Manu to clear his cap hold, eliminates the Bird rights. Leaving the vet min or RE.

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    There's very chance they'll reup Manu with Bird rights. Those come with cap holds, which would make it pretty hard to sign LMA and keep everyone together.
    They would have to be under the cap including Manu's cap hold. Renouncing Manu to clear his cap hold, eliminates the Bird rights. Leaving the vet min or RE.
    thanks

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    From a sheer talent standpoint, even in decline, West is clearly better than any actual C they could sign for the veteran's minimum, so if they can get him, particularly at that price, then obviously is makes sense.

    But I doubt it. Not only financially would that be almost unheard of, but role wise, he'd have to be a fourth big and play some C.

    Reminds me of Gasol, a year ago. If all things were relatively equal, I have no doubt he'd pick the Spurs. Given that they're not, I'd be surprised if he doesn't pick the Wizards.

    On some of the names thrown around in this thread . . .

    Alan Anderson, despite having the typical Spurs role player story, doesn't strike me as a Spur, both in personality/game. Plus, in this financial climate, I can't see him not easily exceeding the minimum and given how little he's made in his career, I doubt he leaves anything on the table.

    Ellington does strike me as a Spur, but I don't see how he doesn't get at least 3M annually and he hasn't made that much either, so I doubt he turns that down.

    Wolters may well be a 3rd PG candidate, but he can't shoot.

    I still think Jenkins and now Freeland, are strong possibilities.

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    Ray Allen seems to be a popular choice on Twitter.

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    Ray Allen seems to be a popular choice on Twitter.
    No thanks.. been out of the league for a full season.. Wouldn't be ready for anything

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    We'd have to be a strong player for the buy out market now too
    Yes. I wouldn't be surprised at all of hear of Joe Johnson coming over. Also don't forget that ring-chasers tend to carry large minimum salaries, so three oldies that sign on this summer can be combined with a pick to take back up to $6 Million in salary. Pretty nifty.

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    Yes. I wouldn't be surprised at all of hear of Joe Johnson coming over. Also don't forget that ring-chasers tend to carry large minimum salaries, so three oldies that sign on this summer can be combined with a pick to take back up to $6 Million in salary. Pretty nifty.
    That would be crazy intriguing

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    From a sheer talent standpoint, even in decline, West is clearly better than any actual C they could sign for the veteran's minimum, so if they can get him, particularly at that price, then obviously is makes sense.

    But I doubt it. Not only financially would that be almost unheard of, but role wise, he'd have to be a fourth big and play some C.

    Reminds me of Gasol, a year ago. If all things were relatively equal, I have no doubt he'd pick the Spurs. Given that they're not, I'd be surprised if he doesn't pick the Wizards.

    On some of the names thrown around in this thread . . .

    Alan Anderson, despite having the typical Spurs role player story, doesn't strike me as a Spur, both in personality/game. Plus, in this financial climate, I can't see him not easily exceeding the minimum and given how little he's made in his career, I doubt he leaves anything on the table.

    Ellington does strike me as a Spur, but I don't see how he doesn't get at least 3M annually and he hasn't made that much either, so I doubt he turns that down.

    Wolters may well be a 3rd PG candidate, but he can't shoot.

    I still think Jenkins and now Freeland, are strong possibilities.
    It's probably Cavs or Spurs. Wizards just went and reupped Gooden. The Cavs could easily offer the most money since they can do a sign and trade with Haywood to Indiana, but with how jammed their 4/5 positions are with Love, Mozgov, Thompson, and Varejao, I'd have to think they'd look at adding a swing as their first option with Brenda's deal.

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    It's probably Cavs or Spurs. Wizards just went and reupped Gooden. The Cavs could easily offer the most money since they can do a sign and trade with Haywood to Indiana, but with how jammed their 4/5 positions are with Love, Mozgov, Thompson, and Varejao, I'd have to think they'd look at adding a swing as their first option with Brenda's deal.
    Yeah, assuming health for their bigman rotation and Irving, their 2/3 depth needs to be upgraded.

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    After the train wreck of being on the Lakers roster and the traumatizing experience and abuse at the hands of Kirby, we could sell Lin on redemption and so he can prove that he can be a championship caliber player. He has a great BBIQ and thanks to the Rockets contract, he has made enough that he could take a 2 yr deal at min or RE with an opt out after one year and re-up when the cap goes up. There is a lot in it for him. It would be a smart move and he is a cerebral kind of guy.

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    It's probably Cavs or Spurs. Wizards just went and reupped Gooden. The Cavs could easily offer the most money since they can do a sign and trade with Haywood to Indiana, but with how jammed their 4/5 positions are with Love, Mozgov, Thompson, and Varejao, I'd have to think they'd look at adding a swing as their first option with Brenda's deal.
    Cavs aren't allowed to sign and trade, as they're above the apron. Can use the mini-MLE, though.

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    Cavs aren't allowed to sign and trade, as they're above the apron. Can use the mini-MLE, though.
    Nice. But Mini-MLE? I didn't know taxpayers could have that.

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    Nice. But Mini-MLE? I didn't know taxpayers could have that.
    Ya - it's called the tax payers MLE or mini.

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    Nice. But Mini-MLE? I didn't know taxpayers could have that.
    That's the only one they get. $10M/3ish instead of $22M/4 or whatever.

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    After the train wreck of being on the Lakers roster and the traumatizing experience and abuse at the hands of Kirby, we could sell Lin on redemption and so he can prove that he can be a championship caliber player. He has a great BBIQ and thanks to the Rockets contract, he has made enough that he could take a 2 yr deal at min or RE with an opt out after one year and re-up when the cap goes up. There is a lot in it for him. It would be a smart move and he is a cerebral kind of guy.
    That could also be the Spurs' angle. West seems to fit that mold as well, willing to do a small deal for one year and make it up wink wink on the back end.

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    If West is signed, then SPURS don't need Diaw and may arrange for a sign and trade? How about trading Anderson for Matt Barnes or Mo William?

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    Good stuff in here. Thx to the cap pros.

    So by my count LJC is a sure thing, but how about the Serbian kid they just drafted? Is it even possible to sign him under these conditions?

    Also, are the Spurs able to sign anyone that impresses in summer league, for example, Thomas? Is there money for that?

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    Good stuff in here. Thx to the cap pros.

    So by my count LJC is a sure thing, but how about the Serbian kid they just drafted? Is it even possible to sign him under these conditions?

    Also, are the Spurs able to sign anyone that impresses in summer league, for example, Thomas? Is there money for that?
    If they plan to bring in either Milutinov or LJC, it will cost $991,600 against the cap for each. They can release a draft pick hold with a mutual acknowledgment that they won't bring that player in that season. But if they want either one this season, they'll have to work the Aldridge signing and Duncan signing with that player's draft cap hold in place.

    Like you said, I think LJC is likely.

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    If they plan to bring in either Milutinov or LJC, it will cost $991,600 against the cap for each. They can release a draft pick hold with a mutual acknowledgment that they won't bring that player in that season. But if they want either one this season, they'll have to work the Aldridge signing and Duncan signing with that player's draft cap hold in place.

    Like you said, I think LJC is likely.
    It's actually that amount minus $525k (which is already being charged to the team as a minimum roster charge). Also, LJC's full hold is closer to $800k because he was picked at lower spot in the draft. So both combined only take up about $800k in cap space. Pretty cheap for guys who could be fringe rotation players and see PT during the dog days of the season.

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    It's actually that amount minus $525k (which is already being charged to the team as a minimum roster charge). Also, LJC's full hold is closer to $800k because he was picked at lower spot in the draft. So both combined only take up about $800k in cap space. Pretty cheap for guys who could be fringe rotation players and see PT during the dog days of the season.
    Saw the contract that O'Quinn got Chino ? Huge steal.

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    Yes please

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    With who, your knitting circle?

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    If West is signed, then SPURS don't need Diaw and may arrange for a sign and trade? How about trading Anderson for Matt Barnes or Mo William?
    Are you ing stupid? Matt Barnes or Mo Williams? Both are career cancers.

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