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    They do. Top Euro leagues are strong, better than the NBDL and can be better than no PT at the end of an NBA bench.
    But what good does it do if they're coming to a completely different system with the Spurs. I mean they're mostly treated like rookies even if they really aren't.

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    But what good does it do if they're coming to a completely different system with the Spurs. I mean they're mostly treated like rookies even if they really aren't.
    Developing individual skills can be much more important than learning the system.

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    Eh - I think Cady going against the number 3 pick with such a refined offensive game is at least equally as impressive. But splitting hairs at that point. Both showed good things.
    Yeah, but LJC did a bit of everything, and he was a much better defender. I thought Cady got away with a ton of fouls that weren't called. He also jacked up a ton of shots and didn't hit a good enough percentage of them to justify it. I liked that he was good enough to try to do certain things. But he wasn't good enough to do them today, and I think that's what a lot of people are overlooking.

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    On a Euro team LJC will be 5th option on offense. On a D league team he can be whatever the Spurs want him to be.

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    Developing individual skills can be much more important than learning the system.
    Seems much easier to do in Austin then. He can jack up 20 threes a game in the d-league if the big club wants. The overseas teams want to win, so they aren't inclined to let some transient dude take all the shots.

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    Seems much easier to do in Austin then. He can jack up 20 threes a game in the d-league if the big club wants. The overseas teams want to win, so they aren't inclined to let some transient dude take all the shots.
    Pretty much my thoughts.

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    As someone newish to basketball do players ever really develop overseas? I mean players like Parker/Manu were already talented as . Tiago was beasting overseas yet rode the bench for a couple of seasons when he came over. I've always thought that the sooner they can get on the Spurs bench the better.
    Overseas does help to develop a players fundamentals and basketball IQ. These type of things are very underrated. It also trains guys how to play under high pressure situations. Overseas the playoff games have more of a life and death at ude with fans versus the US. I remember Manu once saying in the interview that the arenas in Europe were more hostile compared to the NBA and he stated you had fans who would throw rocks and on the court. The reason why these guys don't immediately make an impact on the NBA game is that it takes time to adjust to the speed and pace of the game but once they do that's when you see all the skill set that they learned from Europe come into play.

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    On a Euro team LJc with be 5th option on offense. On a D league team he can be whatever the Spurs want him to be.
    It's a double edged sword for big men. If you're bigger and or more athletic than most of your D-League opponents, you're going to look like a world beater. It would be weird to park LJC on the perimeter to put up threes against the undersized guys he would face at SF. Assuming that's where they end up playing him for development.

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    Seems much easier to do in Austin then. He can jack up 20 threes a game in the d-league if the big club wants. The overseas teams want to win, so they aren't inclined to let some transient dude take all the shots.
    I was talking generally.

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    Seems much easier to do in Austin then. He can jack up 20 threes a game in the d-league if the big club wants. The overseas teams want to win, so they aren't inclined to let some transient dude take all the shots.
    The good Europe teams have highly designed system and very skilled players, often far more skilled than the NBDL. Passing, teamwork, spacing, help defense, etc., are what you'll learn there. If you want someone to just hoist shots then maybe home works. I'd say for big men, playing in Europe makes sense. Perimeter players, maybe the opposite.

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    Overseas does help to develop a players fundamentals and basketball IQ. These type of things are very underrated. It also trains guys how to play under high pressure situations. Overseas the playoff games have more of a life and death at ude with fans versus the US. I remember Manu once saying in the interview that the arenas in Europe were more hostile compared to the NBA and he stated you had fans who would throw rocks and on the court. The reason why these guys don't immediately make an impact on the NBA game is that it takes time to adjust to the speed and pace of the game but once they do that's when you see all the skill set that they learned from Europe come into play.
    Thanks for your thoughts. I don't necessarily agree but you do gave some solid points.

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    Livio Jean-Charles can't force his way into Spurs this summer given that he is under contract with a buyout. Without Spurs giving that buyout money, he is stuck in Europe.

    Spurs and LJC might very well decided that the best solution is to sign a contract this summer even if LJC isn't a fan of the D-League but they might also wait another year. Both are sensible options.

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    Bruno is back too!

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    Cotton >> Denmon

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    Livio Jean-Charles can't force his way into Spurs this summer given that he is under contract with a buyout. Without Spurs giving that buyout money, he is stuck in Europe.

    Spurs and LJC might very well decided that the best solution is to sign a contract this summer even if LJC isn't a fan of the D-League but they might also wait another year. Both are sensible options.
    Bruno, good to see you back How have you been?

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    Livio Jean-Charles can't force his way into Spurs this summer given that he is under contract with a buyout. Without Spurs giving that buyout money, he is stuck in Europe.

    Spurs and LJC might very well decided that the best solution is to sign a contract this summer even if LJC isn't a fan of the D-League but they might also wait another year. Both are sensible options.
    Do you know how much his buyout is for? You'd think that it wouldn't be that high considering who he's signed with.

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    Bruno, good to see you back How have you been?
    Fine, just trying to post again a little here and see if it's better than when I left.

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    The good Europe teams have highly designed system and very skilled players, often far more skilled than the NBDL. Passing, teamwork, spacing, help defense, etc., are what you'll learn there. If you want someone to just hoist shots then maybe home works. I'd say for big men, playing in Europe makes sense. Perimeter players, maybe the opposite.
    The Spurs own their d-league affiliate. So they can directly coach LJC both in and out of games. They can control his development without causing tension with his team's coaches. He could and probably would practice several times with the Spurs' big club. And if the d-league is best for developing perimeter skills, that makes the most sense for LJC as far as I see it. Even if he's a four full-time, it would be really helpful to his long-term prospects to be able to operate away from the basket.

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    The advantage, too, of keeping a player in Europe is... you don't have to pay them.

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    His choice.

    And I think if the roster spot is at a real premium for the Spurs, they could wink-wink LJC into waiting. That's the kind of thing all these player/agent relationships are built to do.
    Roster spot isn't a premium this year... there are 5 slots open even after West signed up.

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    Fine, just trying to post again a little here and see if it's better than when I left.
    Well hopefully you stick around - board is better with you here. Congrats on your job as Philly GM. I know that has kept you busy.

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    Roster spot isn't a premium this year... there are 5 slots open even after West signed up.
    Do you know how the Spurs plan to fill them?

    Or if they even plan to fill them all?

    I don't.

    Well I know they won't be getting Tavares, but that's it.

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    Livio Jean-Charles can't force his way into Spurs this summer given that he is under contract with a buyout. Without Spurs giving that buyout money, he is stuck in Europe.

    Spurs and LJC might very well decided that the best solution is to sign a contract this summer even if LJC isn't a fan of the D-League but they might also wait another year. Both are sensible options.
    Sigh... :-( Well wait if of course better in the long run.

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    Do you know how much his buyout is for? You'd think that it wouldn't be that high considering who he's signed with.
    I'm guessing $625K. I'm not sure if you know it but a team can still use the rookie scale to pay a first round pick even if the player has been drafted 3 or more years ago. MLE or cap room might also be used at that time but it's to give more money.

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