Splitter Traded to Hawks

[BillMc]

So, did this deal get finalized?

[timvp]

If the Spurs get more than a second round pick for Splitter, I'd be surprised. Sure, he's worth more than that but it's the timing that I think cost the Spurs. Instead of allowing the Hawks to explore with their salary cap room, the Spurs needed the deal done ASAP in order to make everything crystal clear prior to the Aldridge meeting. Thus, the Spurs really didn't have much leverage in the negotiations.

It obviously worked out well for the Spurs but I just can't imagine they got anything close to equal value for Splitter. Even if they get essentially nothing, it'd still be a great trade, especially since everything panned out perfectly following this risky move.

[Obi Juan Kenobi]

If the Spurs get more than a second round pick for Splitter, I'd be surprised. Sure, he's worth more than that but it's the timing that I think cost the Spurs. Instead of allowing the Hawks to explore with their salary cap room, the Spurs needed the deal done ASAP in order to make everything crystal clear prior to the Aldridge meeting. Thus, the Spurs really didn't have much leverage in the negotiations.

It obviously worked out well for the Spurs but I just can't imagine they got anything close to equal value for Splitter. Even if they get essentially nothing, it'd still be a great trade, especially since everything panned out perfectly following this risky move.

Agreed...we should be happy that Atlanta did us the favor so that the Spurs could land Aldridge...getting something else in return from Atlanta is icing on the cake...

[duncan2150]

Don't forget that the Hawks have the rights of three players overseas not named Tavares :

SF Lamar Patterson from Pitt who played in Turkey last year ( draft 2014), SG Marcus Eriksson from Sweden( draft 2015), PF Dimitrios Agravanis from Greece ( draft 2015)

Maybe one of them is involved in the deal plus a 2nd round pick or a first

[Kawhitstorm]

If the Spurs get more than a second round pick for Splitter, I'd be surprised. Sure, he's worth more than that but it's the timing that I think cost the Spurs. Instead of allowing the Hawks to explore with their salary cap room, the Spurs needed the deal done ASAP in order to make everything crystal clear prior to the Aldridge meeting. Thus, the Spurs really didn't have much leverage in the negotiations.

It obviously worked out well for the Spurs but I just can't imagine they got anything close to equal value for Splitter. Even if they get essentially nothing, it'd still be a great trade, especially since everything panned out perfectly following this risky move.

Teams around the league had no incentive to offer the Spurs anything in return for Tiago since it was obvious that he had to be traded to make room for LMA. The fear was that teams would actually demand a pick from the Spurs to take Tiago as part of a "salary dump". The Warriors traded David Lee for Gerald Wallace as part of a salary dump & were commended for not surrendering a pick although Lee is clearly the better player.

[Nathan89]

Teams around the league had no incentive to offer the Spurs anything in return for Tiago since it was obvious that he had to be traded to make room for LMA. The fear was that teams would actually demand a pick from the Spurs to take Tiago as part of a "salary dump". The Warriors traded David Lee for Gerald Wallace as part of a salary dump & were commended for not surrendering a pick although Lee is clearly the better player.

David Lee isn't useful to a winning team like Tiago is.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

If the Spurs get more than a second round pick for Splitter, I'd be surprised. Sure, he's worth more than that but it's the timing that I think cost the Spurs. Instead of allowing the Hawks to explore with their salary cap room, the Spurs needed the deal done ASAP in order to make everything crystal clear prior to the Aldridge meeting. Thus, the Spurs really didn't have much leverage in the negotiations.

It obviously worked out well for the Spurs but I just can't imagine they got anything close to equal value for Splitter. Even if they get essentially nothing, it'd still be a great trade, especially since everything panned out perfectly following this risky move.

Perhaps Pop and Bud had some sort of a gentleman's agreement that the deal would be pending on Spurs actually getting Aldridge which no other team would be willing to do. Thus, Spurs not getting equal value but having a way out if things went wrong with their FA targets.

[cd021]

Maybe the hangup is that they want Diaw instead of Splitter.

They lose some of their versatility against small ball units (I'd really be interested to see a Diaw-Aldridge pairing)

but a Aldridge/West-Duncan/Splitter big rotation is makes more since.

[Obi Juan Kenobi]

Perhaps Pop and Bud had some sort of a gentleman's agreement that the deal would be pending on Spurs actually getting Aldridge which no other team would be willing to do. Thus, Spurs not getting equal value but having a way out if things went wrong with their FA targets.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

i think the "hawks have the ultimate leverage" case, is a bit over-blown.

The Spurs were seriously limited on time? Aldridge took his sweet time making up his mind, and the full details of the trade are still at large. I suppose hindsight is 20/20. But, part of the pitch to get LMA here was the decisive action of keeping Green and dumping Splitter? I'm starting to see the hesitation, and the need for second meetings, tbh. Was the pitch not a simple "look at these rings that Timmy and Pop win, and this shiny new maxed out Kawhi. think they're done? look at this beautiful state with limited tax, and plentiful family... you likey?" Do Green and Splitter really factor so heavily into the pitch that you gotta run out and make some lopsided deal?

And another thing. the Spurs were seriously limited on partners? Forget the notion that they're dumping Splitter, like a desperate, out of control junky. needing a LMA fix. all the branches of the Spurs management tree. Orlando, Utah, OKC, New Orleans, LAC, Philly, GS, Sacramento. , did anybody read the one about Portland and Splitter? It just happened last year, is a sign and trade seriously not an additional "ace in the hole" during the negotiation game of cards? There's no Gerald Wallace or Brendan Haywood to help smooth things out? Everybody so fears the Spurs talent at talent, that they'd shun picks and rights that must surely be some kind of trojan horsery?

If the hawks appear to have sooooo much leverage, it's not because the Spurs had a lack of options... it's worse than that. it's because they just aren't as smart as sooooo many suckers buy. Cue the bs.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Teams around the league had no incentive to offer the Spurs anything in return for Tiago since it was obvious that he had to be traded to make room for LMA. The fear was that teams would actually demand a pick from the Spurs to take Tiago as part of a "salary dump". The Warriors traded David Lee for Gerald Wallace as part of a salary dump & were commended for not surrendering a pick although Lee is clearly the better player.

Except if they actually want Tiago.

[Chinook]

i think the "hawks have the ultimate leverage" case, is a bit over-blown.

The Spurs were seriously limited on time? Aldridge took his sweet time making up his mind, and the full details of the trade are still at large. I suppose hindsight is 20/20. But, part of the pitch to get LMA here was the decisive action of keeping Green and dumping Splitter? I'm starting to see the hesitation, and the need for second meetings, tbh. Was the pitch not a simple "look at these rings that Timmy and Pop win, and this shiny new maxed out Kawhi. think they're done? look at this beautiful state with limited tax, and plentiful family... you likey?" Do Green and Splitter really factor so heavily into the pitch that you gotta run out and make some lopsided deal?

And another thing. the Spurs were seriously limited on partners? Forget the notion that they're dumping Splitter, like a desperate, out of control junky. needing a LMA fix. all the branches of the Spurs management tree. Orlando, Utah, OKC, New Orleans, LAC, Philly, GS, Sacramento. , did anybody read the one about Portland and Splitter? It just happened last year, is a sign and trade seriously not an additional "ace in the hole" during the negotiation game of cards? There's no Gerald Wallace or Brendan Haywood to help smooth things out? Everybody so fears the Spurs talent at talent, that they'd shun picks and rights that must surely be some kind of trojan horsery?

If the hawks appear to have sooooo much leverage, it's not because the Spurs had a lack of options... it's worse than that. it's because they just aren't as smart as sooooo many suckers buy. Cue the bs.

Most cogent thing I think I've ever seen you write.

[ceperez]

i think the "hawks have the ultimate leverage" case, is a bit over-blown.

The Spurs were seriously limited on time? Aldridge took his sweet time making up his mind, and the full details of the trade are still at large. I suppose hindsight is 20/20. But, part of the pitch to get LMA here was the decisive action of keeping Green and dumping Splitter? I'm starting to see the hesitation, and the need for second meetings, tbh. Was the pitch not a simple "look at these rings that Timmy and Pop win, and this shiny new maxed out Kawhi. think they're done? look at this beautiful state with limited tax, and plentiful family... you likey?" Do Green and Splitter really factor so heavily into the pitch that you gotta run out and make some lopsided deal?

And another thing. the Spurs were seriously limited on partners? Forget the notion that they're dumping Splitter, like a desperate, out of control junky. needing a LMA fix. all the branches of the Spurs management tree. Orlando, Utah, OKC, New Orleans, LAC, Philly, GS, Sacramento. , did anybody read the one about Portland and Splitter? It just happened last year, is a sign and trade seriously not an additional "ace in the hole" during the negotiation game of cards? There's no Gerald Wallace or Brendan Haywood to help smooth things out? Everybody so fears the Spurs talent at talent, that they'd shun picks and rights that must surely be some kind of trojan horsery?

If the hawks appear to have sooooo much leverage, it's not because the Spurs had a lack of options... it's worse than that. it's because they just aren't as smart as sooooo many suckers buy. Cue the bs.

Spot on comment, Spurs have trading partners beyond just the Hawks. There are lots of team looking for a good experienced championship center. that isn't over paid.

Hawks getting Splitter for nothing is absolutely absurd. Not going to happen, I expect to hear something soon about the trade.

[AFBlue]

I don't think it really matters does it? The trade enabled the Spurs to get Aldridge. Anything on top of that of value is gravy. Obviously we'll see the riddle get solved today since the transactions to sign Aldridge will likely take place.

[ceperez]

I don't think it really matters does it? The trade enabled the Spurs to get Aldridge. Anything on top of that of value is gravy. Obviously we'll see the riddle get solved today since the transactions to sign Aldridge will likely take place.

Worse case.... Bud owes the Spurs organization big time. It's is not like he's just the coach, he's president of operations.

[vander]

it's past 8 eastern why isn't this done yet?!

[Extra Stout]

What was the objective of the Splitter trade? Was it to acquire LaMarcus Aldridge, or was it to acquire assets from the Atlanta Hawks?

And what happened? Did the Spurs acquire LaMarcus Aldridge?

If the Spurs had executed a deal where Portland signed-and-traded Aldridge to the Spurs in exchange for Splitter, would that be considered a good trade or a bad trade?

Effectively, how is what actually transpired any different from the Spurs' perspective?

[Fireball]

What was the objective of the Splitter trade? Was it to acquire LaMarcus Aldridge, or was it to acquire assets from the Atlanta Hawks?

And what happened? Did the Spurs acquire LaMarcus Aldridge?

If the Spurs had executed a deal where Portland signed-and-traded Aldridge to the Spurs in exchange for Splitter, would that be considered a good trade or a bad trade?

Effectively, how is what actually transpired any different from the Spurs' perspective?

The Spurs traded Splitter to ATL (only for draft pick/s) to be able to sign Aldridge who is an unrestricted Free Agent (so no trade with POR necessary).

Because their salaries do not match, trading only Splitter for Aldridge would not be possible. Giving up extra pieces ... well that might not be such a good deal .

[ChumpDumper]

i think the "hawks have the ultimate leverage" case, is a bit over-blown.

The Spurs were seriously limited on time? Aldridge took his sweet time making up his mind, and the full details of the trade are still at large. I suppose hindsight is 20/20. But, part of the pitch to get LMA here was the decisive action of keeping Green and dumping Splitter? I'm starting to see the hesitation, and the need for second meetings, tbh. Was the pitch not a simple "look at these rings that Timmy and Pop win, and this shiny new maxed out Kawhi. think they're done? look at this beautiful state with limited tax, and plentiful family... you likey?" Do Green and Splitter really factor so heavily into the pitch that you gotta run out and make some lopsided deal?

And another thing. the Spurs were seriously limited on partners? Forget the notion that they're dumping Splitter, like a desperate, out of control junky. needing a LMA fix. all the branches of the Spurs management tree. Orlando, Utah, OKC, New Orleans, LAC, Philly, GS, Sacramento. , did anybody read the one about Portland and Splitter? It just happened last year, is a sign and trade seriously not an additional "ace in the hole" during the negotiation game of cards? There's no Gerald Wallace or Brendan Haywood to help smooth things out? Everybody so fears the Spurs talent at talent, that they'd shun picks and rights that must surely be some kind of trojan horsery?

If the hawks appear to have sooooo much leverage, it's not because the Spurs had a lack of options... it's worse than that. it's because they just aren't as smart as sooooo many suckers buy. Cue the bs.

You're right.

This offseason is a disaster.

[Extra Stout]

The Spurs traded Splitter to ATL (only for draft pick/s) to be able to sign Aldridge who is an unrestricted Free Agent (so no trade with POR necessary).

Because their salaries do not match, trading only Splitter for Aldridge would not be possible. Giving up extra pieces ... well that might not be such a good deal .

Thank you, but I understood all of that already. Any criticism of the front office for what they do or do not get in return from Atlanta is unwarranted and foolish. The Spurs already have accomplished their objective in trading Tiago Splitter, because they were successful in signing LaMarcus Aldridge as a free agent. Even if all they get in return from Atlanta is a pair of volt-green tube socks, they still come out well ahead.

[Marcus Bryant]

Some Spurs fans deserve to be fans of a franchise like Sacto or Charlotte for a year.

[Fireball]

Thank you, but I understood all of that already. Any criticism of the front office for what they do or do not get in return from Atlanta is unwarranted and foolish. The Spurs already have accomplished their objective in trading Tiago Splitter, because they were successful in signing LaMarcus Aldridge as a free agent. Even if all they get in return from Atlanta is a pair of volt-green tube socks, they still come out well ahead.

Next time use blue font ... and you are right.

[raybies]

Chris Vivlamore ‏@CVivlamoreAJC 3m3 minutes ago
I expect Tiago Splitter deal to be announced today. Hawks gave up rights to international player and heavily protected future 2nd.

[ace3g]

Chris Vivlamore @CVivlamoreAJC
I expect Tiago Splitter deal to be announced today. Hawks gave up rights to international player and heavily protected future 2nd.

[Chinook]

What's the point in the second? Only possible explanation I can think of is that the rights for the player don't qualify as a trade asset, so they need the second for the trade to be legal.