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    It is still 422k less to duncan because duncan's roster charge goes away when he is signed anyways and the 422 comes from 922-500.
    It's not, because Tim can't be signed with the space that's used for his roster charge. There's no way to get that $525k, so he's not losing it.

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    It's not, because Tim can't be signed with the space that's used for his roster charge. There's no way to get that $525k, so he's not losing it.
    that's even worse.

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    that's even worse.
    ???

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    I guess I can live with a poor man's Cojo. Spurs have a lot of molding left to do with McCallum. Maybe Engelland can help get McCallum's 3 point shot back.
    Poor man's Cojo? Nope. They're on equal footing, pretty much. He's slightly better offensively and Cojo is slightly better defensively. Ray arguably has more upside.

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    that's even worse.
    How?

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    I'd like to see Ray try and move this boulder from the starting spot tbh:



    Jesus Christ.....


    Poor Ray, tbh, he never stood a chance

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    You said we can't use that 525k of cap space.

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    Poor man's Cojo? Nope. They're on equal footing, pretty much. He's slightly better offensively and Cojo is slightly better defensively. Ray arguably has more upside.
    I don't agree with that. Cojo is definitely more developed than McCallum. McCallum had a PER of 12.5, which is below league average. Cojo had an above the average PER of around 15. McCallum has a career FG% of 41% and FT% of 70%. Cojo is much more efficient than that.

    That's not to say McCallum can't develop into a solid 3rd string point guard with the Spurs. But he still has work to do. At least he's not some D League player (but could be sent to Austin). McCallum has received NBA playing time for the past two years.

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    You said we can't use that 525k of cap space.
    It is used when you sign your required 13th player.

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    Excellent pick up for a 3rd PG and injury insurance for Parker and Mills.

    Considering people were already trying to make the case for Bertans to fill that void, I'd much rather take an established NBA player with upside who has been stuck in basketball for two years. Kid has to be hungry.

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    I don't agree with that. Cojo is definitely more developed than McCallum. McCallum had a PER of 12.5, which is below league average. Cojo had an above the average PER of around 15. McCallum has a career FG% of 41% and FT% of 70%. Cojo is much more efficient than that.

    That's not to say McCallum can't develop into a solid 3rd string point guard with the Spurs. But he still has work to do. At least he's not some D League player (but could be sent to Austin). McCallum has received NBA playing time for the past two years.
    If Cojo had been in Sac town and McCallum on the Spurs last year, one could easily imagine those PERs being reversed. We shall see how Ray does in our system. But expect a significant rise in PER. At least a couple points.

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    You said we can't use that 525k of cap space.
    On Tim. That's true no matter what. After Tim signs, that cap space can be used on someone else (McCallum in this case).

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    If Cojo had been in Sac town and McCallum on the Spurs last year, one could easily imagine those PERs being reversed. We shall see how Ray does in our system. But expect a significant rise in PER. At least a couple points.
    McCallum is older than Joseph, so I don't see why you'd assume he'd have more upside. Not to mention that Cory is bigger and more athletic and can get his own shot better than Ray (from what I've seen) can. I don't think it's close.

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    On Tim. That's true no matter what. After Tim signs, that cap space can be used on someone else (McCallum in this case).
    oh. ok. that's kind of strange.

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    Any word on what pick we gave yet. Maybe with these trades(and their protections), we'll eventually just end up with Mccallum for splitter, basically.

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    I don't agree with that. Cojo is definitely more developed than McCallum. McCallum had a PER of 12.5, which is below league average. Cojo had an above the average PER of around 15. McCallum has a career FG% of 41% and FT% of 70%. Cojo is much more efficient than that.

    That's not to say McCallum can't develop into a solid 3rd string point guard with the Spurs. But he still has work to do. At least he's not some D League player (but could be sent to Austin). McCallum has received NBA playing time for the past two years.
    Yeah, I know about the PER and RPM numbers but consider the terrible team McCallum played for with the Kings. And his usage rate was higher than CoJo's. In terms of skill level, I think Ray has slightly more talent and Pop with his staff will surely mold Ray to maximize his ability as a third-string PG. We'll see.

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    Yeah, I know about the PER and RPM numbers but consider the terrible team McCallum played for with the Kings. And his usage rate was higher than CoJo's. In terms of skill level, I think Ray has slightly more talent and Pop with his staff will surely mold Ray to maximize his ability as a third-string PG. We'll see.
    That's what its all about. 3rd string PG making the League minimum and having upside as well. Better than paying your 3rd string PG 7mil+ a year.

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    McCallum is older than Joseph, so I don't see why you'd assume he'd have more upside. Not to mention that Cory is bigger and more athletic and can get his own shot better than Ray (from what I've seen) can. I don't think it's close.
    We're talking about a couple of months older. Also, McCallum outweighs CoJo by 5 pounds and from the many games I've seen from him, he can get to the basket easier than CoJo.

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    oh. ok. that's kind of strange.
    The point of roster charges is to lock up cap space so that you have to account for 12 contracts before using space to sign anyone. The Spurs have seven contracts in this scenario, so they have five roster charges, locking up $$2.625 Million in cap space. The Spurs could sign Tim with the remainder (about $7.2 Million). That would make 13 contracts, so one of the hold drops, and $525k or "actual" cap space opens up.

    Now he's where it gets fuzzy. For trades using cap space, the only thing that matters is that the total salary is under the cap (with a $100k buffer) when they end. So trading for McCallum kills a roster charge in the same way Duncan's signing would, freeing up $525k more. That gives a total of $1.15 Million in space for McCallum to fit into, which he does.

    But this is moot, since Tim didn't take the max he could have, even in light of these moves.

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    We're talking about a couple of months older. Also, McCallum outweighs CoJo by 5 pounds and from the many games I've seen from him, he can get to the basket easier than CoJo.
    I haven't seen that at all. I definitely haven't seen the same explosion from him, or the same repertoire of moves to get to the basket.

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    Poor Ray, tbh, he never stood a chance
    Ha ha ha! Loved that show... I still watch reruns.

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    Ha ha ha! Loved that show... I still watch reruns.
    Right you are Ken.

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    McCallum is older than Joseph, so I don't see why you'd assume he'd have more upside. Not to mention that Cory is bigger and more athletic and can get his own shot better than Ray (from what I've seen) can. I don't think it's close.
    I'm sorry, McCallum is going to be a better player than CoJo. He's just got better handles and a lot more athleticism.

    Besides, both are suspect in the 3 point line. CoJo doesn't have the luxury of Chip coaching him now!

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    Right you are Ken.


    tbh...

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