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Wal-Mart makes ISIS Cake:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...cake/29495379/
The person who requested this most seriously have no life.
How is that analogous at all?
Explain.
Wal-Mart makes ISIS Cake:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...cake/29495379/
The person who requested this most seriously have no life.
Sorry, I don't follow the "Jay Z is a racist" bit; I don't understand the significance of that symbol. And I already noted it's stupid to destroy memorials. Revering southern leaders is fine; they were people. The flag is a symbol, which has come to represent racism more than "heritage".
South Carolina seceded from the Union claiming encroachment of their property rights. Soon after VA, the Carolinas and the majority of the slave states followed suit. At that time 1/3 of the population in the south was black. Let's not forget that following the turn of the century starting around 1805, white southerners who were afraid of the Haitian slave rebellion, started using eugenics and the like to cull their slaves. Insubordination of course meant death and slaves were kept in primitive conditions.
When the Confederate congress formed the army and Lee was appointed, that was the flag that he raised when he attacked Maryland and up into Pennsylvania.
After they lost several years later and during the northern occupation of the south, former confederate soldiers either went west and settled in AZ, NM, UT, and CA or they stayed home and reraised the flag in insurrection. The Klan comes out of that. When the Union left, the democrats reasserted themselves and began manipulating local elections. Poll taxes and tests. Lynch mobs and reprisals if need be. They reraised the battle flag on their statehouses.
You cannot separate the heritage of that flag and racism. There is much worse in the human character than racism that is represented by the confederacy and what white people in the south did from 1750-1965. They're still doing the same now in the GOP which is one of the greater historical ironies. ID laws and gerrymandered districts. Stacking courts. It's all part of the same thing.
are you deflecting for wal-mart?
What is wrong with ID laws?
No, just an observation.are you deflecting for wal-mart?
Most people who don't drive cars or travel internationally don't have IDs, so voter ID laws are a convenient way of adding an obstacle to keep the poor from voting. I ultimately don't think the laws are a bad idea in and of themselves (although the claim that said laws were justified by vast numbers of voter fraud incidents have been proven false repeatedly), but the infrastructure to make it easy/fast/cheap for all Americans to get IDs doesn't exist yet, which means a fairly large swath of voters will not be represented until that infrastructure exists... that is a problem.
I think the USA (land of Opportunity) cannot yield for the Poor. The benefits from increased personal safety out weight keeping an unpleasant percentage of the population happy. Being poor should always be viewed as an inconvenience not an excuse.
Not following your leap from voting to safety. Increased personal safety is the right of all citizens, poor and rich alike. As to the rest of your point, you make it sound as if we are talking about people who have always been and will always be poor, but the poor of this generation won't be the poor of the next. Look at the Irish, Welsh, German, Italian, Asian, Jewish, etc communities... all started poor (and were explicitly targeted for disenfranchisement by more established/wealthier people), and all moved up the latter in time (and even though you're clearly a raging racist, there's already evidence that the black community is joining the middle class in growing numbers since the American Civil Rights Act made granted them the same rights under law as those enjoyed by other races).
What's wrong with a literacy test?
Ever heard of the 24th amendment? Know any of the history behind it?
I originally considered ID laws in OP to also mean Arizona "race based" asking people to show a form of ID
A person willing to work needs to be in possession of ID. I recognize the issue in finding work without a mailing address but I wouldn't walk into a job interview or ask for application without an ID. Age of 18+ what is more important than a form of ID? You can't open a bank account/obtain ATM card. Using credit card does/should require ID.
I just view an individual without ID as up to no good. Stuck in time with no option of improving.
I understand all that. However, people can only be "symbols" to a limited extent, because they are people. Sure, we can view Bruce Lee as the prototypical martial artist, and Jordan as a basketball player, etc etc, but they can't personify ideals, themes, etc as well as a symbol, because a symbol isn't "real". Morality evolves as surely as we do, and to hold our forebearers to the same morality we hold today seems ignorant, in my eyes. Imagine if, due to the rising population and limited global resources, eating meat was considered immoral, due to both the conditions most animals are raised in as well as the fact that producing meat takes far more energy than producing vegetables. Would it be correct for them to label us as "immoral"? You have to look at the time period in which these people lived. Assuming that the figure idolized wasn't openly beating/maiming/torturing his slaves, I don't have a big issue with it.
It's a symbol of racism and hate. No way to separate it. Confederate states began to raise the flag in opposition to desegregation court cases in the 60s. Slavery was the basis of the civil war. The secession statements say it all. When people say "southern pride" it's really a code for "we are traitors and got our asses kicked decisively, but it would be nice to have some dignity left". Those same southern leaders did treat blacks horribly.
White Southern hate, stripped bare for all to see
http://www.salon.com/2015/07/05/whit...or_all_to_see/
They solve a problem that doesn't exist.
In any cost to benefit analysis, that gives it a pretty bad ratio...
Why should we spend money fixing imaginary problems? Isn't that a bit like creating an agency to prevent unicorn rustling?
According to yahoo, the flag is coming down tomorrow from SC state run facilities.
Countless job-less blacks will be celebrating in the streets
Sorry for your loss.
Muh flag!
#heritagenothate
I don't identify with that flag. But I'm from Texas, from a part where the culture is not strongly Southern, and so the Texas flag is the one that symbolizes pride in where I'm from. So it makes sense that I don't identify with that flag. But I've known a lot of people who do.
A symbol means whatever it means to the person viewing the symbol. When almost everyone views a symbol the same way, it's easy to communicate. When views diverge, and there are strong feelings behind those different views, communication falls apart. I've seen that flag mean Southern regional pride, a general sense of rebellion, resentment of Yankees and/or white liberals, and support of white supremacy/hatred of black people. Given the history, those meanings are confounded with one another.
I understand why the Lost Cause mythology emerged after the Civil War. Part of it is for the same reason the Turks refuse to call the Armenian Genocide a genocide and West Germany struggled to deal with the legacy of the Third Reich after World War II. Part of it is because Radical Reconstruction spawned the Lost Cause mythology in much the same way that the Treaty of Versailles sparked the Dolchstosslegende. Part of it was because it really wasn't in the best interest of the leaders of the South to tell people the truth, that they had lost life, limb, and livelihood for the dreams of the elite to build a slave empire stretching across the Equator.
It doesn't make the Lost Cause mythology true. The original do ents bear out just how much of a lie it is. The primary thing the Confederate cons ution said about state's rights was that when it came to slavery, they didn't have any. Slavery was federally enshrined. But I get why people cling to those so-called heroes.
And I get why they cling to that flag. I think I get why it is the flag of the battlefield, and not one of the national flags, that resonated with the people. The battlefield is what was seared into their memories. Just because you defend your home and your family against an invading army doesn't make you a white-supremacist slavery apologist.
So I really do believe them when they tell me it's about "heritage." I don't ascribe to them ulterior motives that secretly they just really hate black people and wish slavery could come back, or at least Jim Crow. I don't feel the need to engage in moral preening and beat on them to signal to my peers that I'm one of the "right kind of white people" and not one of those unwashed backward redneck untermenschen. I'm self-aware enough not to construct a false moral high ground to label people bigots in order to justify my bigotry against them.
Even if it is heritage, though, only white people in the South see that flag that way. Black people do not. It's de facto about white Southern heritage, not general Southern heritage. And that's perfectly fine to be proud of being a Southern white person. It might help to be more honest about the bad along with the good, but every culture struggles with that. The Stars and Stripes flew over slave plantations for over 80 years. The Lone Star flag calls to mind Texians who won independence from Mexico, and also secured the ins ution of slavery.
And yet, public property belongs to the entire public, not just the white public. So it can't be OK to fly a flag representing just one race somewhere that belongs to everyone. There can be exceptions in public places where the context is clearly historical, since it is part of history and it does nobody any good to erase that.
Southerners were proud that the people of Charleston chose unity, not division, after the terrorist murder of nine people. But if that unity is really meant to be more than a short-term gesture, then the beliefs of one's black neighbors matter. I'd venture a guess that the black man next to the white man on the bridge is a lot more sympathetic to feelings of Southern pride than a white hipster in Portland is. After all, it is his home too.
Perhaps being proud together, though, means folding up that old mythology so long clung to, and finally putting it away in favor of something better.
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