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People whine about the size of threads while we discuss actual basketball , and meanwhile this discussion goes on. I hope all the other posts are people telling Ghost what a dumb he is.
Because he's a dumb .
People whine about the size of threads while we discuss actual basketball , and meanwhile this discussion goes on. I hope all the other posts are people telling Ghost what a dumb he is.
Because he's a dumb .
Sup Ghost? Damn...you and Spursfan back...is this a sign of the impending apocalypse?
LOL. You have to admit - disappearing for years, and then coming back just to post... this?
As for "classy" and "trust" and all that? John Boy Walton was ing Mary Ellen, and it never caused a problem with the cast.
He has always seemed to me to be an average-skill set sort of guy => that's a bit harsch don't you think ? Average-skill set ? Really ??? I really think average skill set players would dream to have his ability to finish at the rim
About the egotistic and vain comment, I also think you get carried away a little bit. Sure he's got ego, but it doesn't seem this bad.
I didn't remember you had such a bad opinion of him, I actually thought it was the opposite.
I think you thought the opposite because I tend to stand up for most team members (including Parker) who are the recipients of hatred. Remember, I also said that I thought he always worked hard and did exactly what his coach told him to do. I neither hate him nor love him.
Regarding the skill set: I remember once when I got into it with Timvp when Tony had his first (and perhaps ONLY?) triple double several years back. I thought that it was such a big deal for this player that I thought that he should get the highest grade possible for the game he played. Timvp had only given him a somewhat lesser grade (I don't remember what it was) and my point in the discussion back and forth was that he was NOT that great a player, and thus being able to perform a triple double was a HUGE factor for him.
I really have always thought that his skill set was pretty average (except for his speed which is less as he ages of course), but that he made the very most of that ability by working so hard, and by following Pop's instructions so closely. I have always said that he was Pop's creation - and a reflection of the kind of pg that Pop wanted to be himself.
Let's look at it...he will never have the court vision or passing ability of a Manu or even a Diaw. What he does have is the ability and willingness to run the offensive set that Pop wants played at any point in time. Lots of folks here spend a great deal of their own and everyone else's time bemoaning TP's play calling, seemingly unaware that he is doing what his coach tells him to do.
I do believe that he has a higher opinion of his abilities than is warranted, and in that respect I call him egotistical and vain. Perhaps that is too harsh. Maybe I should have just said he has a higher opinion of his abilities than is warranted and leave it at that. You may be quite right about that.
Personally I am glad that TP is our pg, partly because I watched Avery Johnson before him and George Hill alongside him for a long time. BELIEVE me, I prefer TP to either of those...and I prefer him to people like Jason Kidd, Chris Paul, and lots of other 'more athletic' or 'better skilled' players. He is great for this team.
And since I want the team to succeed, I want him to succeed, and I refuse to hate on him. I have stopped defending him all the time because it seems to really feed the trolls, and I am convinced that they want to hate him and will hate him, regardless of how he plays, what he does, or how he acts. Those people who insist on that are just not worth my time.
GW!!!
Good question btw. I'd say they dealt with it by never leaving their wives alone with Tony!
However they dealt with it, they kept it private. CIA rules.
Not this tired again.
Hey OP, good to see you back posting!
How many years ago was this . It's like a bunch of old ladies rehashing the past every single day.
To all you haters ...make your case about what is on the court all this other stuff is old lady old news.
Tony Eva,Brent and Erin was over years ago and all of them moved on with their lives. The only
ones that can't move on are parrot SpursTalk posters....pathetic......
Average skill set for Parker is quite the reach, tbh..
Even ignoring physical ability as part of a skill-set, he's one of the best finishers at the rim in NBA history..I'm not even referring to his actual percentage or production at the rim, I'm just speaking strictly on his touch and English on the ball, I can't think of many players that have been better in that facet of the game..some of the angles he used to score from under the basket didn't even make any sense..
last year tony going to the basket launched up a lot of shots that got blocked. He was missing
that first step speed because of the hamstring that let the defender get in position to block
that to the blackboard shot.
That doesn't change his skill-set, though..of course Parker is one of many players that is more reliant on physical ability than skill, but it doesn't mean that he wasn't very skilled in his prime, especially at finishing around the basket.
Maybe he has, but i have NEVER heard him say parker's name since he's been on nbatv. NEVER!!
He never stuck it in. Who cares?
Sexting is still cheating IMO..what kind of would be OK with his girl sending texts like that to another man, tbh?People who think it was only "sexting"(I believe Erin) have never had a girlfriend/wife ever in their lives. Like women never lie to save face?.... It's a sixth sense that men develop after having so many gf's that you just "know" when they're lying their panties off about ing other dudes. Take for example Delonte and Gloria's affair...... They both deny it( because they don't want to hurt bron's feeling) but everybody in the basketball world knows they did.
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I think he was rigth about his skillset. After all Manu was the most skilled player of the Spurs guards, better court vision/passing skills/shooting than Tony, and the same ability to finish at the rim.
hey welcome to the board bro.
Thanks!
Parker, on the other hand, was right from the start Pop's creation. "Tony, look at this line, you are here and Stockton's here... I'm not asking you to be Stockton, but I do need you to be more in the middle between what you are now and Stockton". He was Pop's experiment the whole time and, aside from how close Pop got to his objective or if he fell short and ended up with a Frankenstein, doesn't matter, not the point here, not hating... the fact is that it was his creation, and Pop must have felt rather unhappy at the prospect of loosing him
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mutha er was starting pg at age 19 and somehow he was pop creation ...gtfoh....pop help him grow his game as coaches should but dude had talent and always been one of the toughest pg in the league....you indeed are just another hater...what did parker your wife too?
How many years ago was this . It's like a bunch of old ladies rehashing the past every single day.
To all you haters ...make your case about what is on the court all this other stuff is old lady old news.
Tony Eva,Brent and Erin was over years ago and all of them moved on with their lives. The only
ones that can't move on are parrot SpursTalk posters....pathetic.
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a bunch of pussies worried about a man ing another man wife.... brent barry he obviously wasn't doing something right....tell brent to learn how to draw a foul on a pump fake
Geesh, chill dude, everyone's en led to an opinion. You have yours, I have mine. I don't hate Parker, tho, but I do not like him, don't like him as a person, don't like him as a point guard. What... I'm not forced to like him and I don't.
Also, I never mentioned anything about Parker's talent and toughness, or lack thereof, though I don't think someone questioning him in those regards would necessarilly be hating on him.
And, finally, if you have been following the Spurs for the last decade and a half, or so, and you failed to see Parker's been Pop's brainchild more than any other player on the team, by far, then, whatever, duh, I guess there's not much point in talking to you. If you haven't been following the Spurs all these years, OTOH, then approach discussions with a little more caution, that's my humble advice.
I heard him say Tony one time last season on NBA TV, which shocked me because of the aforementioned situation...
His ability to finish at the rim was reduced in part by his loss of some of his speed, but even more so by the movement of Duncan away from the low post somewhat in later years. Guys like Duncan and Nesterovich were the equivalent of "pulling guards" in the years when Tony was able to get to the basket so effectively. Even Splitter was a good guy at blocking out shot blockers when he was at his best. But the development of Tony's jumper as an important part of the pick and roll was also a reaction to the fact that he was unable to consistently get to the rim as often in the absence of someone who could block out for him.
An average skill set with a terrific work ethic can produce all-star caliber play in certain offensive sets, and I think that Tony has shown that to be the case. It is one of the reasons that Pop is so proud of Parker's success, imo. Pop never had the skill set that other players did, but he had the work ethic that he thought he could use to overcome that. The "Tony project", i.e., taking a 19 year old kid from France with great speed and a willingness to be coached, and molding him into an effective pg [B]for this offense[/B ]was, imo,, a validation of Pop's belief that he could create a successful version of himself in the NBA.
His willingness to work is one of the reasons (along with remembering how badly I felt for the kid when I used to watch Pop abuse him for the first three or four seasons) that I defend TP from the haters who say he is a scrub or a cancer. He is neither of those things. He is a hard worker whose hard work has helped him develop some shots (his floater and mid-range jumper) that have helped this offense immensely. But pgs are known primarily for their court vision and passing ability. Parker is, imo
about the third best on this team in both of those categories.
I don't mind his assists being lower than lots of other pgs because in Pop's system everybody has to give up some of their stats for the betterment of the team. Tony's job for years was to give the ball to Tim as soon as he crossed the half-court line and then have Tim run an offense that was not conducive to big assist numbers for the point guard role.
Tony is the best pg for this team. As I said in an earlier post, some more athletic pgs would be unable to give up the role and the stats they wanted for themselves.
My biggest problem with posters who hammer him for the last two years and focus only on his struggles with his wheels over that time is that they forget (or never knew) that although he may 'only' be 32 in chronological years, he has played more basketball minutes in the NBA than any other active pg except the guy who is 39...(is that Andre Miller?).
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