Liberalism in Action: Planned Parenthood Sells Dead Baby Body Parts

[Blake]

I think if a woman has an abortion that doesn't stem from rape or incest her name should go in a public database on the Internet, like a pedophile. I thought think this and many other crimes (eg not paying child support) should be readily available to the public. Why are sexual deviants the only ones this happens too. I should be able to look up every crime or felony a person has committed on the Internet.

Rofl so you're frightened of women that had abortions

[Blake]

That's exactly my point, slowly laws stray farther away from a Biblical moral code; hence; me claiming a slippery slope. I am not saying only follow a Biblical moral code, I am just saying that is what most our countries laws were founded upon. At least in Christianity, laws are not meant to deter. You can kill and go to heaven. But you must repent and be born again as Bible would say.

Either way, good talking with you.

Lol biblical moral code

Have you read the Old Testament?

[ddjeffries]

Lol biblical moral code

Have you read the Old Testament?

i think youre confusing the old covenant (old Jewish law) and the new covenant under Christ (new testament)

[mingus]

Lol biblical moral code

Have you read the Old Testament?

I've read the Spark Notes.

[mingus]

Rofl so you're frightened of women that had abortions

Frightened isn't the right word.

Sickened or disgusted are more appropriate words. Maybe weary, but not frightened.

Is it politically incorrect to be disgusted by an abortion?

[Blake]

Frightened isn't the right word.

Sickened or disgusted are more appropriate words. Maybe weary, but not frightened.

Is it politically incorrect to be disgusted by an abortion?

I think it's a bully move to put a scarlet letter on a scared girl that didn't know what to do but get an abortion.

And comparing that girl to convicted pedophiles is pretty ridiculous

[Blake]

i think youre confusing the old covenant (old Jewish law) and the new covenant under Christ (new testament)

I think you're confused if you think the Bible allows Christians to ignore OT law.

Inconvenient truth tbh

[mingus]

I think it's a bully move to put a scarlet letter on a scared girl that didn't know what to do but get an abortion.

And comparing that girl to convicted pedophiles is pretty ridiculous

I don't think being scared of it justifies trying to erase an irresponsible decision by aborting/killing. I don't believe in giving anyone an easy out. Own up or shut up. Then again, I'm not a liberal so I wouldn't understand.

My comparison is valid. I believe a fetus is a human life. You don't. Therefore YOU don't see the comparison as sensible.

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How The Video Attacking Planned Parenthood Was Deceptively Edited

http://www.alternet.org/gender/how-video-attacking-planned-parenthood-was-deceptively-edited?akid=13315.187590.7gQCl3&rd=1&src=newslette r1039628&t=7

[Blake]

I believe a fetus is a human life. You don't.

I think if a woman has an abortion that doesn't stem from rape or incest her name should go in a public database on the Internet, like a pedophile.

So you're saying if she's raped that you're ok with her killing an innocent bystander.

Well that's sensible.

[mingus]

I think if the woman is raped it overrides that fact. It's not difficult for me to reconcile my belief that a fetus is human and that if it is a result rape the mother can make a choice in that instance and make an exception on whether to abort/kill it. It's not that the life is any less important or less of a life. It's a sad situation but I would be a able to sympathize with the mother making that choice. I cannot sympathize otherwise.

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abortion is unavoidable, legal or not legal, it's gonna happen

and if you Bible humpers could force all women, any age, to have unwanted babies, what's your solution for raising them?

[Spurminator]

I think if the woman is raped it overrides that fact. It's not difficult for me to reconcile my belief that a fetus is human and that if it is a result rape the mother can make a choice in that instance and make an exception on whether to abort/kill it. It's not that the life is any less important or less of a life. It's a sad situation but I would be a able to sympathize with the mother making that choice. I cannot sympathize otherwise.

So then basically, a woman has sovereignty over her own body only if she doesn't get pregnant through consensual sex (which is legal).

If she does get pregnant through consensual sex, she is legally a carrier of a state-protected occupant and has no choice on whether her womb should remain occupied for 40 weeks or not. However, if the sex was non-consensual, she gets to keep the right to dictate what inhabits her body.

[Blake]

I think if the woman is raped it overrides that fact. It's not difficult for me to reconcile my belief that a fetus is human and that if it is a result rape the mother can make a choice in that instance and make an exception on whether to abort/kill it. It's not that the life is any less important or less of a life. It's a sad situation but I would be a able to sympathize with the mother making that choice. I cannot sympathize otherwise.

Neh, the value you're putting on the fetus after rape is zero. Or you're ok with an innocent human getting murdered with no punishment for the murderer.

You're trying to have it both ways but it doesn't work like that, no matter how sympathetic a conservative you think you are.

[Blake]

So then basically, a woman has sovereignty over her own body only if she doesn't get pregnant through consensual sex (which is legal).

If she does get pregnant through consensual sex, she is legally a carrier of a state-protected occupant and has no choice on whether her womb should remain occupied for 40 weeks or not. However, if the sex was non-consensual, she gets to keep the right to dictate what inhabits her body.

Lol sensible stuff

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Tony Perkins: Planned Parenthood Opposes 20-Week Abortion Bans Because The 'Parts' Are 'More Valuable'

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/conten...e-more-valuabl

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Ted Cruz calls for prosecution of Planned Parenthood leaders

He's ratcheted up his rhetoric on the bogus video showing a medical director for the organization ultimately explaining how they comply with federal law regarding fetal tissue donation. Never mind all that investigation that all the other Republicans are demanding, Cruz saysprosecute them.

"Every American should watch that video and say, ‘Are those my values?’ ” the 2016 presidential candidate said at the Family Leadership Summit in Ames, Iowa."On tape, it appears a Planned Parenthood official is admitting to multiple felonies," he continued. "The U.S. Department of Justice, if it was not simply a partisan arm of the DNC, should open an investigation and prosecute Planned Parenthood. Congress should hold hearings and we should cut off funds."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/0...28Daily+Kos%29

Repugs create a LIE, a fantasy, then act as if it's real. See my "Repug history" thread.

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Repugs to use heavily edited video as an excuse to limit women's rights

Congressional Republicans plan to build a new campaign to limit women's abortion rightsaround a heavily edited video that, in the final analysis, shows that Planned Parenthood follows federal law regarding fetal tissue donation. It makes sense.

They like to try to avoid talking about it, since doing so can lead to "legitimate rape"-style comments, but any law that says anything involving abortion is legal is one that Republicans oppose. So a video showing a Planned Parenthood staffer talking in uncomfortably blunt terms about following the law is all the opening they really needed:

Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) and his two top deputies — McCarthy and Majority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.) — called for investigations almost immediately after the controversial video was made public, including whether it profits off fetal body parts. And within 24 hours, at least two powerful committees had announced probes on the issue.McCarthy is already talking about defunding the organization through the appropriations process. And in the Senate, GOP leaders who have been eyeing a vote on legislation banning abortions after 20 weeks of gestation say this will give them momentum to clear the bill later this session.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/0...women-s-rights

[mingus]

So then basically, a woman has sovereignty over her own body only if she doesn't get pregnant through consensual sex (which is legal).

If she does get pregnant through consensual sex, she is legally a carrier of a state-protected occupant and has no choice on whether her womb should remain occupied for 40 weeks or not. However, if the sex was non-consensual, she gets to keep the right to dictate what inhabits her body.

That's correct.

[mingus]

Neh, the value you're putting on the fetus after rape is zero. Or you're ok with an innocent human getting murdered with no punishment for the murderer.

You're trying to have it both ways but it doesn't work like that, no matter how sympathetic a conservative you think you are.

Im not putting zero value on the fetus in that instance. It's just that I think in that instance a women's choice is paramount to the fetus. I think the possible psychological effects of carrying/having a child borne out of rape makes not having that option a danger to mother.

[mingus]

It's a tough decision anytime you have to skill an innocent life. But in some instances I believe it's for the greater good. Doesn't have to mean I value those killed any less as humans.

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It's a tough decision anytime you have to skill an innocent life. But in some instances I believe it's for the greater good. Doesn't have to mean I value those killed any less as humans.

so far you, a zygote is a human?

[TeyshaBlue]

by YOUR personal moral standards? maybe.


not usually, no.

You are morally disgusting.

Do you also eat the fetuses?

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AZ Gov Bans 'Sale' Of Fetal Tissue After Planned Parenthood Sting Video

Planned Parenthood, while acknowledging its affiliates do participate in tissue donation programs, has denied the allegations that fetal tissue is being sold for profit, which is already against the law.

"The footage released by The Center for Medical Progress regarding the alleged sale and trafficking of aborted fetal tissue and body parts by Planned Parenthood is horrifying and has no place in a civilized society," Ducey said in a statement Monday.


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewir...+%28TPMNews%29

Repugs are ing nutz, but it looks like they're going to take this dirty tricks sting and make it another ACORN. Will the Dems be fooled again?

[mingus]

so far you, a zygote is a human?

I think when there's a heartbeat it's then human. So if it's barely a zygote then no I don't believe it is. That's why I hate it when people jump to claim my belief its rooted in religion, because it's not. If it was the case it would be human right after fertilization but I don't hold that view. After heartbeat I view what you view as an abortion as a killing not an abortion. I believe in morning after pill and I believe in abortion to the extent that it's not performed after heartbeat.