Power struggle: the real differences between Playstation 4 and Xbox One performance

[ElNono]

If I'm running that kind of array I'm replacing as soon as the SMART data looks bad on one. Still, maybe I'll just buy bigger drives and do 2 in RAID-1 and as I add a couple more later on I can change it to RAID-10.

That's what we did for our backup system at the office. Drives are cheap as . Even external units are as cheap or cheaper than internal, especially for the newer 5TB drives. They're slower drives, but for storage it's ideal.

You just want to make sure you have a virtual volume system like ZFS does, where you can add more drives if you want and it just takes care of expanding storage for you.

[hater]

I dig that case

reminds me of the old Sun Ultra Sparc servers which I used to loved...

[baseline bum]

That's what we did for our backup system at the office. Drives are cheap as . Even external units are as cheap or cheaper than internal, especially for the newer 5TB drives. They're slower drives, but for storage it's ideal.

You just want to make sure you have a virtual volume system like ZFS does, where you can add more drives if you want and it just takes care of expanding storage for you.

Externals can be a pain in the ass to take out of their enclosures though. A few years ago I had a Seagate external where the flimsy USB port broke, and the case wasn't designed to ever be opened again, so I had to take a saw to that to pull the drive out so I could recover my data.

[hater]

I wish the ing Corsair Air 540 had better options for mounting 3.5" drives. I need a case that can handle a lot because I have a ton of stored in my system. Lots of Spurs games, rentals from nosteam, Mic e Wild's entire body of work, and one drive for Linux. With all that empty space there should be tons of room for 3.5" mechanical drives, but they only have two mechanical mounts in front and then four SSD mounts? Who the uses four SSDs?

oh crap the 240 doesn't have 5 inch bays? I am an old fart used to having CD/Blue Rays. damn Im old and pathetic

[baseline bum]

oh crap the 240 doesn't have 5 inch bays? I am an old fart used to having CD/Blue Rays. damn Im old and pathetic

I think the only time I use my DVD drive is to burn CDs to listen to in the car. Damn, now I sound old as listening to CDs in the car.

[hater]

I think the only time I use my DVD drive is to burn CDs to listen to in the car. Damn, now I sound old as listening to CDs in the car.

[baseline bum]

Damn this looks like a ing sweet case for a PLEX server.

[The Reckoning]

mother ing hdmi port straight up broke off the motherboard of my ps4

[ElNono]

Damn this looks like a ing sweet case for a PLEX server.

I remember looking at it when I was building our backup server... it was out of stock then... ended up getting a Thermaltake Core V21, since it has easy access to the drive bays on the side.

[hater]

k I think I settled with this.

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Micro Center)
Motherboard: Asus GRYPHON Z87 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($77.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport XT 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($97.95 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card ($319.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair Air 240 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($77.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($61.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $930.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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[baseline bum]

k I think I settled with this.

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Micro Center)
Motherboard: Asus GRYPHON Z87 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($77.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport XT 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($97.95 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card ($319.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair Air 240 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($77.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($61.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $930.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-18 20:59 EDT-0400

This sucks how much the GTX 970 has gone up with the cheap R9 290s out of the picture now. You used to be able to get the EVGA SSC and MSI Gaming for $330 straight up, no rebates. You could even get the G1 Gaming for that price for a while. Now the MSI Gaming is $340 after a $20 rebate, EVGA SSC is $330 after a $20 rebate, and so on. I regret not spending the extra $20 for a Gigabyte G1 Gaming when I got my 970, as I got the EVGA SC ACX (not the SSC), which doesn't have the power delivery to get the overclocks to 1500+ MHz. Mine's only stable around 1400MHz. It's still a beast, but in retrospect I would have paid the 6% more for 7% higher performance. Some people can get the Strix to 1500 MHz but I have heard a lot of complaints about its power delivery.

Also, the i5-4690k is a Devil's Canyon process, which isn't supported by Z87 out the box. Z87 supports the i5-4430, i5-4440, i5-4570, i5-4670, and i5-4670k out the box, but not the i5-4460, i5-4590, i5-4690, or i5-4690k. A Z87 board will run Devil's Canyon every bit as well as a Z97 board if it has a new enough BIOS on it though. So you might need to flash the BIOS with a USB drive to update it to something new enough. The good news is the Z87 Gryphon supports this, and that board is a ing steal at $78 after rebate.

http://www.asus.com/microsite/2014/M...bility/#models

Don't buy an i5-4670k though just to get compatibility without a BIOS update with the Gryphon Z87, the original Haswell chips often have a gap between the thermal paste on the core and the heat spreader above it, which makes temperatures horrible and can greatly limit overclocks to the point lots of people started removing the heat spreader (aka delidding). The i5-4690k and i7-4790k fix this problem though and are much better CPUs than the i5-4670k and i7-4770k they replaced.

[hater]

awesome

thanks

[baseline bum]

awesome

thanks

oops, I mean to write flash it with a USB stick

[DJR210]

k I think I settled with this.

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Micro Center)
Motherboard: Asus GRYPHON Z87 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($77.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport XT 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($97.95 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card ($319.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair Air 240 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($77.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($61.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $930.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-18 20:59 EDT-0400

Switch that GPU to an EVGA model and that build is straight

[baseline bum]

Switch that GPU to an EVGA model and that build is straight

If San Antonio can get In N Out and Krispy Kreme why the can't they get Microcenter?

[DJR210]

If San Antonio can get In N Out and Krispy Kreme why the can't they get Microcenter?

I'll take dispensaries before Microcenter

[resistanze]

k I think I settled with this.

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Micro Center)
Motherboard: Asus GRYPHON Z87 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($77.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport XT 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($97.95 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card ($319.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair Air 240 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($77.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($61.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $930.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-18 20:59 EDT-0400

Just finished building my rig yesterday, very similar.

Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor
Cooler Master Hyper TX3 - CPU Cooler
Corsair Obsidian 250D Mini ITX Case
Gigabyte LGA 1150 Intel Z97N Wi-Fi-Bluetooth HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Mini ITX
Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 1600 MHz (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory
Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
WD Blue 1TB Desktop 3.5 Inch SATA 6Gb/s 7200rpm Internal Hard Drive
Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card
EVGA 500 W1 80+, 500W

First time with a SSD Jesus what a difference. Editing with Lightroom/Photoshop is such a joy.

[baseline bum]

Just finished building my rig yesterday, very similar.

Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor
Cooler Master Hyper TX3 - CPU Cooler
Corsair Obsidian 250D Mini ITX Case
Gigabyte LGA 1150 Intel Z97N Wi-Fi-Bluetooth HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Mini ITX
Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 1600 MHz (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory
Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
WD Blue 1TB Desktop 3.5 Inch SATA 6Gb/s 7200rpm Internal Hard Drive
Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card
EVGA 500 W1 80+, 500W

First time with a SSD Jesus what a difference. Editing with Lightroom/Photoshop is such a joy.

Post your Firestrike

[baseline bum]

That's what we did for our backup system at the office. Drives are cheap as . Even external units are as cheap or cheaper than internal, especially for the newer 5TB drives. They're slower drives, but for storage it's ideal.

You just want to make sure you have a virtual volume system like ZFS does, where you can add more drives if you want and it just takes care of expanding storage for you.

When you say ZFS takes care of expanding storage when I add new drives, do you mean it would be possible to initially set it up with one 4GB drive, and then a little later I could add a second 4GB drive and it would be able to build a RAID-1 array without losing the data? Then add two more later on to make a RAID-10 array? I don't feel like buying $650 worth of hard drives today tbh.

[ElNono]

When you say ZFS takes care of expanding storage when I add new drives, do you mean it would be possible to initially set it up with one 4GB drive, and then a little later I could add a second 4GB drive and it would be able to build a RAID-1 array without losing the data? Then add two more later on to make a RAID-10 array? I don't feel like buying $650 worth of hard drives today tbh.

What ZFS does is it provides a virtual filesystem. It allows you to attach new volumes and they automatically expand the pool (storage). Unfortunately, I don't think it allows to do what you're mentioning.

I think what does allow you to do that is straight Linux RAID, but you would have to look that up. On our backup box we run Centos 6, using Linux RAID to create the RAID 1 (2 drives, shows up as 1 volume), then OpenZFS on top as the filesystem. If we want to expand storage we can just get another two drives, build a new RAID 1 volume, and add it to ZFS, which automatically expands our storage.

[baseline bum]

What ZFS does is it provides a virtual filesystem. It allows you to attach new volumes and they automatically expand the pool (storage). Unfortunately, I don't think it allows to do what you're mentioning.

I think what does allow you to do that is straight Linux RAID, but you would have to look that up. On our backup box we run Centos 6, using Linux RAID to create the RAID 1 (2 drives, shows up as 1 volume), then OpenZFS on top as the filesystem. If we want to expand storage we can just get another two drives, build a new RAID 1 volume, and add it to ZFS, which automatically expands our storage.

Thanks man.

[hater]

Just finished building my rig yesterday, very similar.

Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor
Cooler Master Hyper TX3 - CPU Cooler
Corsair Obsidian 250D Mini ITX Case
Gigabyte LGA 1150 Intel Z97N Wi-Fi-Bluetooth HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Mini ITX
Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 1600 MHz (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory
Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
WD Blue 1TB Desktop 3.5 Inch SATA 6Gb/s 7200rpm Internal Hard Drive
Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card
EVGA 500 W1 80+, 500W

First time with a SSD Jesus what a difference. Editing with Lightroom/Photoshop is such a joy.

congrats! just finished mine:
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Micro Center)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97MX-Gaming 5 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($113.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport XT 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($89.99)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB FTW ACX 2.0 Video Card ($324.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair Air 240 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($77.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $961.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-07-20 21:56 EDT-0400


Same here with the SSD 5 second boot time

[hater]

so what is the best game to test this with??

witcher 3????

played witcher 1 and 2 and loved em

[baseline bum]

so what is the best game to test this with??

witcher 3????

played witcher 1 and 2 and loved em

Witcher 3 will push the ever living out of your system. It's one of the few games out there that a GTX 970 can't do 1080p ultra if you want 60 fps. But high looks great on it. Dragon Age Inquisition is pretty impressive graphically. I ing love Dying Light, but it's first person so you might not dig it since you said you're not into shooters. GTA V is amazing on a GTX 970.

Dude, what's your Firestrike score and how high can you overclock the GPU?

[baseline bum]

I still think one of the baddest things about PC gaming is you can play all the old too. I was jut playing God of War II on PCSX2, that game seems like it has aged pretty well when lots of PS2 game didn't. Okami is pretty badass too.