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the issue is its still arbitrary. why heartbeat and not brainwave, for instance?
If they don't want to have a baby, they should do a better job of not getting pregnant.
the issue is its still arbitrary. why heartbeat and not brainwave, for instance?
and the man has no role?
and the man has no role?
You really asked that? A woman can be on birth control or make the dude wear a rubber if she doesn't want to get pregnant. Don't act like an idiot just to help your point of view. Less time-consuming and expensive to use contraception than get an abortion.
I support women's rights. I think unborn female babies have as much right to live as male babies.
Of course it's arbitrary. That doesn't make me wrong. It's just what I belief
of course it doesn't make you wrong. it just makes it hard to enact it into law
Abortion as birth control disgusts me... until my family needs it. /life
There are plenty of psychological effects in any number of unwanted pregnancy scenarios.
And what if a woman cries rape but can't prove it? You still are going to demand a scarlet letter on her.
Actually that's exactly what that means.
Or you're justifying the death penalty on an innocent human that broke no law.
There's no way to have both.
abortion is not used as birth control. Contraception is birth control. Repugs and Bible humpers want to block both abortion and contraception. Blocking contraception for poor women will INCREASE abortions.
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I think the psychological effects between the two are apples and oranges. It's not a matter I know a whole lot about, but that is my assumption. I'm not sure there is a therapy that truly help a woman carrying a rapists fetus. It would seem to me put an extreme amount of pyschological stress on a woman to the extent that her mental and physical well-being would be a huge concern/question mark. I think OTOH a woman carrying child out of irresponsibility has better therapy for her being that the stress isn't as extreme. I'm not pretending I'm a doctor so I don't know. But that's what I think is the case.
Like me someone else said I think abortion is fine before heartbeat. I'm not a hardliners, I want to find middle ground and compromise on issue. When you try and find compromise it doesn't alwsys make perfect logical sense. In some way that the nature of compromise.
Every thing we belief starts with an arbitrary assumption. Scientific accuracy/proof isn't needed to enact anything into law.
but "anything" has nothing but legal legitimacy if contradicted by science, evidence, rationality. Such "anythings" are possible even probable since BigCorp/Bible humper/Repugs have created a fantasy world of magical bull .
did the poor women think that spreading their pussies and getting ed might cause a child to be born
oh what you think the govement should bail out their stupid thinking because it was the republican fault they did not train the women what causes child birth
In the case of women carrying rapist child, I think in this case I believe it becomes a situation where, even though fetus is innocent of anything, it is destroying the woman and there is no choice but to abort for her mental and possible physical sanity. I don't ascribe zero value to fetus, it's just a rare and unfortunate situation where a innocent bystander can be subject to death. Of course putting women's right in this situation as paramount to human/fetus kind of s with the logic but I think it's a decent compromise.
good god you're delusional
Anyway I'm done here. It was good discussion I realize there's that doesn't make sense in my argument but I'm a person of compromise especially on this issue where there is a big emotional component to it.
I can tell you're talking out of your ass, but all that is irrelevant any way.
There's no way you can reasonably argue that good mental health for one person justifies murder of another innocent human. That's laughably insane logic, tbh.
I don't think its that insane. If a hijackers goes hijacks an airplane we send jets to shoot it down. Innocent people die. If it's for the greater good, then killing innocent being is on the table. In instance of abortion the same thing might apply as far as it being for the greater good.
The shooting down of the plane is to prevent others from scheming the same thing.
Since we allow abortion, it continues without remorse. If we made it at least morally reprehensible, and had something like a scarlet "A", then maybe people would be less likely to put themselves in need of such services.
This seems to be getting worse and worse. Least the shills on here are about to rack up a lot of overtime.
a complete and total hoax, clips taken out of context, etc, etc. Anti-choicers trying to take PP down with the same the took ACORN down.
As if boots needs any more overtime
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