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    I'm confused as to whether you're talking about SL only or not. LJC hasn't even been on the team. He's a no-show by the very definition, but he's not a bust, which seems to be what 'no-show' means to you.

    Cory is a serviceable guard who got a big contract. Very much a successful late first-rounder.

    Anderson remains the most disappointing pick in at least a decade. Even so, there wasn't really a better player picked immediately after him. You have to drop all the way to 28 to find anyone established, and you have to go all the way to 40 to find a superior player at the same position. And that guy's a headcase.

    Hill is still a solid starter and netted a lottery pick. He was insane value for the Spurs.

    Tiago Splitter is the main reason Tim is still healthy enough to play. His was an awesome pick. Dude showed up in multiple playoff series and was the team's best overall defensive player until he got hurt last season. If Mirotic can be anything close to Tiago, Chicago would be ecstatic.

    Mahinmi has a ring and is a very serviceable player in the league even after all these years. Not a horrible pick if they give him the time he needed to develop instead of stashing him then giving up on him. But still, there were a few better players who were picked immediately after him. It was a poor finance-motivated move by the team. Hopefully, Milutinov doesn't go the same way.

    Udrih is also a player the Spurs gave up on too soon. He was never a great player, but he's still solid after more than a decade, and that's a of an accomplishment for a low first.

    The Spurs don't necessarily click with all of the players they draft, but their ability to pick solid-at-works players with their late picks is extraordinary. You can even add Blair at 37 in 2009 to see how much value they get in that range.
    Solid post. Did they draft Malik Rose?

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    I really want see what happens when teams go small if Pop gives KA some burn at PG and Boban at Center. The post-ups would be hilarious.
    If we miss a shot I would also like to see the ensuing comedy trying to get back on D.

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    I'm confused as to whether you're talking about SL only or not. LJC hasn't even been on the team. He's a no-show by the very definition, but he's not a bust, which seems to be what 'no-show' means to you.

    Cory is a serviceable guard who got a big contract. Very much a successful late first-rounder.

    Anderson remains the most disappointing pick in at least a decade. Even so, there wasn't really a better player picked immediately after him. You have to drop all the way to 28 to find anyone established, and you have to go all the way to 40 to find a superior player at the same position. And that guy's a headcase.

    Hill is still a solid starter and netted a lottery pick. He was insane value for the Spurs.

    Tiago Splitter is the main reason Tim is still healthy enough to play. His was an awesome pick. Dude showed up in multiple playoff series and was the team's best overall defensive player until he got hurt last season. If Mirotic can be anything close to Tiago, Chicago would be ecstatic.

    Mahinmi has a ring and is a very serviceable player in the league even after all these years. Not a horrible pick if they give him the time he needed to develop instead of stashing him then giving up on him. But still, there were a few better players who were picked immediately after him. It was a poor finance-motivated move by the team. Hopefully, Milutinov doesn't go the same way.

    Udrih is also a player the Spurs gave up on too soon. He was never a great player, but he's still solid after more than a decade, and that's a of an accomplishment for a low first.

    The Spurs don't necessarily click with all of the players they draft, but their ability to pick solid-at-works players with their late picks is extraordinary. You can even add Blair at 37 in 2009 to see how much value they get in that range.
    At this point Corey Joseph showed far less upside than KA, far less.

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    Underrated aspect of Kyle's intangibles is his leadership. I mentioned somewhere else that he has in his young career already been a leader of winning teams. Spurs website did a little collage of interviews about this aspect:
    http://www.nba.com/spurs/video/teams...dermp4-3648860

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    I hope he'll improve his shot, become more assertive and confident and be the next detlef schrempf as he reminds me the German so much with his attributes and style...

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    At this point Corey Joseph showed far less upside than KA, far less.
    Far less.

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    Kyle Anderson playing with the Spurs will likely have the same offensive options a Kawhi Leonard.

    (1) Posting up smaller guard and forwards.
    (2) Hitting the 3 point shot when open.

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    I've given Anderson some heat on these threads, principally because of his lack of speed. Every time he starts to change my mind, he does some things (mostly on defense) that brings me back to neutral, leaning against his being a good rotation player. Like last night in the closing minutes there were at least two times when he just waved goodbye at a player blasting past him on the way to the basket.

    He has more time in the pro game than most of the first team players in SL and should be better than pure rookies. He's learned to hide some of his lack of speed by laying off his man and by using his length--but will it be enough for him to earn big minutes against players with more physical ability?

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    I've given Anderson some heat on these threads, principally because of his lack of speed. Every time he starts to change my mind, he does some things (mostly on defense) that brings me back to neutral, leaning against his being a good rotation player. Like last night in the closing minutes there were at least two times when he just waved goodbye at a player blasting past him on the way to the basket.
    He has more time in the pro game than most of the first team players in SL and should be better than pure rookies. He's learned to hide some of his lack of speed by laying off his man and by using his length--but will it be enough for him to earn big minutes against players with more physical ability?
    Dude, they just played 3 games in 3 days..Agree that his defense needs some work though but overal was pleased with his overall performance

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    1,5 asissts per game? And someone said he's manu replacement..

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    Yes, I know that.

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    1,5 asissts per game? And someone said he's manu replacement..
    Had you seen some of the passes he made to guys he had been plaiying with for about three weeks, you might think differently.

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    1,5 asissts per game? And someone said he's manu replacement..
    you watch games?
    his passes were awesome should have had 5-9 game easily would had his teammates other then simmons not be scrubs

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    Yes, I know that.
    Just saying. Far, far less.

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    Just saying. Far, far less.

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    I am just disgusted by the accolades this guy is getting. Did you not see the eggs he laid every time he got called up? Unbelievable.

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    I am just disgusted by the accolades this guy is getting. Did you not see the eggs he laid every time he got called up? Unbelievable.
    Same tbh. I won't believe in this guys game will translate til he shows something in the NBA. He was absolutely dreadful playing with the big boys last year.

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    The bias and stereotyping here is ridiculous.

    Spurs have always been a very unathletic team that compensates by playing skilled basketball.

    He's the SL MVP and that is a good enough achievement for a 21 year old.

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    The bias and stereotyping here is ridiculous.

    Spurs have always been a very unathletic team that compensates by playing skilled basketball.

    He's the SL MVP and that is a good enough achievement for a 21 year old.
    Yea I wonder to myself what team these have dudes been watching TBH? Only guy who is athletic enough to dunk on a regular basis is Kawhi, and he doesnt even go for it every chance he can. Every one else is a finesse guy. Not saying athelticism is not exciting or whatever, since in here if you dont go with the flow its like you are against it, and I am not. Its just that for all the appreciation about smart basketball, ppl slam a guy who is not dunking like jeff ayers out there (a classic example of athleticism wasted, a ty unskilled, but athletic guy.) But haters will hate regardless lol

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    Yea I wonder to myself what team these have dudes been watching TBH? Only guy who is athletic enough to dunk on a regular basis is Kawhi, and he doesnt even go for it every chance he can. Every one else is a finesse guy. Not saying athelticism is not exciting or whatever, since in here if you dont go with the flow its like you are against it, and I am not. Its just that for all the appreciation about smart basketball, ppl slam a guy who is not dunking like jeff ayers out there (a classic example of athleticism wasted, a ty unskilled, but athletic guy.) But haters will hate regardless lol
    Exactly, as a matter of fact, Jeff Ayres was the most athletic player in the entire roster last year.

    People have the mistaken impression that Kawhi has elite athleticism, he never had it. At best he had slightly above average athleticism. Just look at his predraft measurements: No step vert: 25.5 , max vert: 32 .

    What about Danny Green: No step vert: 29. max vert: 33 . Green jumps higher than Leonard! Anyone watching Spurs games can see this as a fact.

    You want an athlete? What about Ray McCallum: No step ver: 30, max vert: 40. 8 inches higher than Leonard.
    or Simmons: No step vert: 30, max vert: 38.

    Spurs got two players who can jump out of the gym. Those two players aren't Green or Leonard.

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    chris mullin was slow

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    And Larry Bird didn't beat defenders by outrunning them.

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    Exactly, as a matter of fact, Jeff Ayres was the most athletic player in the entire roster last year.

    People have the mistaken impression that Kawhi has elite athleticism, he never had it. At best he had slightly above average athleticism. Just look at his predraft measurements: No step vert: 25.5 , max vert: 32

    What about Danny Green: No step vert: 29. max vert: 33 . Green jumps higher than Leonard! Anyone watching Spurs games can see this as a fact.

    You want an athlete? What about Ray McCallum: No step ver: 30, max vert: 40. 8 inches higher than Leonard.
    or Simmons: No step vert: 30, max vert: 38.

    Spurs got two players who can jump out of the gym. Those two players aren't Green or Leonard.
    Kawhi didn't warm up like the other guys(there's a story about this) and I'm not sure but he had an injury before some of those workouts and maybe that jump stat. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

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    Forget the pre Draft vertical. Simply refer to Leonard's dunk against the heat. ..heck, even the failed dunk on birdman was amazing. He is without a doubt the most athletic. Please don't even mention the Simmons guy or kyle. Common man

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