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My mom miscarried before I was born and recently put their 15 year old Pit down due to cancer. I'll ask which one saddened her more.
lol was going to say the exact same thing.
My mom miscarried before I was born and recently put their 15 year old Pit down due to cancer. I'll ask which one saddened her more.
Cop just being a cop. he didn't handle it the right way, but many don't. Seems to me the best way to go about it to bite your tongue. I've had a cop ask me to put out my cig, too. I said "yes, sir". It's just a courtesy thing. I've been in a hurry and been pulled over. Instead saying "I'm waiting on you" or some rude like that, I just listen and if I have question or comment say it respectfully and be on my way. But If I had a penny for every d-bag I come across on a daily basis, I'd be a rich man. But you got to choose your battles and more importantly you've got know how to fight them. Feel like a cop is treating you like and ass or out of line? Get his name and after the conflict is over submit a complaint and if it's bad enough ask for investigation by the police department.
Must the end of the day these guys, like any other employee, are minions and they have a boss. There's bad apples everywhere, that's just the nature of being human. If I don't like the service I'm receiving from a restaurant or a store or wherever from an employee I don't start with that person, I go to their boss and express my displeasure. That's how a mature, level-headed person responds to bad service, whether in the public or private domain.
On July 10, 28-year-old Sandra Bland was arrested and charged with assaulting a public servant. She was taken to the Waller County Jail; three days later, she wasfound in her cell dead from what officials called suicide. Both the FBI and the Texas Rangers launched investigations trying to find out what happened.
Dashboard camera footage from Bland’s traffic stop was released on Tuesday. (Note: The video was uploaded to YouTube Tuesday evening; it has since been taken down, after people pointed out errors and inconsistencies in the video, which led many to believe it had been edited. A DPS spokesman denied editing the video, and said this morning they would re-upload the footage without errors or omissions.)
Questions, in the wake of the video: What are the rules? Not policies or politeness – specifically, what are your rights when you’re pulled over by police?
Jim Harrington, director of the Texas Civil Rights Project, speaks with Texas Standard about the footage of the arrest, point-by-point. Here’s a transcript of the conversation, edited for brevity and clarity:
The trooper asks, “You mind putting out your cigarette please?” And Ms. Bland says, “Well, I’m in my car – why do I have to put out my cigarette?” Does she have to put out her cigarette?
“No, she doesn’t have to put out her cigarette. And you wonder why the officer is even bothering with that. This is part of his escalation of the whole event that unfolded, unfortunately.”
The next part: “Step out of the car.” Ms. Bland says, “You do not have the right.” He interrupts – “I do have the right, step out of the car or I will remove you.” Does he have the right, first, to order her to step out of the car, and second, to actually physically remove her from the car?
“He does not have the right to say get out of the car. He has to express some reason. ‘I need to search your car,’ or, whatever; he needs to give a reason. He can’t just say ‘get out of the car’ for a traffic offense.”
It’s one thing to say he has a reason; it’s another to say he has to give a reason. He may have had probable cause, or thought he had it, we don’t know. Does he have to state it?
“He doesn’t have to state probable cause; he has to state some reason … And that’s part of the training that he should have had about how to de-escalate a situation. She’s clearly upset about what happened, particularly – as we know later on – that she moved over because he was tailing her. … He should be working on de-escalation. That’s the key. ”
Ms. Bland says, “I refuse to talk to you other than to identify myself.” Is she right or wrong?
“She’s right. Unfortunately, officers don’t like it when you know the law. In this case, even if you are right, you are still in danger. And that’s what we see unfolding here.”
The trooper says, “I am giving you a lawful order.” Now, is the is the lawful order to extinguish the cigarette, or to get out of the car, or neither?
“You can’t tell why. Certainly, telling her to put out the cig was not a lawful order. Just saying ‘Get out of the car,’ in and of itself, without an explanation, is not lawful. And you see him say that throughout the video without ever saying why [or] what’s going on here. It’s clear to me that he’s trying to assert authority that he probably does not have under the law, and he’s escalating the situation because he is upset. [He] doesn’t exercise the training that he needs to be exercising to de-escalate this situation.”
“I’m gonna yank you out of here,” is what the trooper says. Can he physically “yank” her out of her vehicle?
“He can’t do that either, unless she’s posing a threat to his welfare and safety. What he should have done was just wait for backup, if he couldn’t de-escalate it himself. But you don’t just pull somebody out of the car, and point that taser in her face. What if it had gone off? She’d have permanent brain damage.”
She says, “Dont touch me, I’m not under arrest.” Trooper says, “You are under arrest. She says, “Under arrest for what?” He then turns to his shoulder mounted radio, and asks for another unit. Does he have an obligation as a law enforcement officer to tell her why she is under arrest?
“Yes. He needs to – it’s not clear to her what’s going on. He needs to tell her, ‘You’re under arrest because …,’ but you can’t really tell her that. Because you can’t tell from the video that there’s any reason to have her under arrest.
She asserts her right to record this with her cell phone. That’s a right that has been clearly established. Is that true?
“She has a right to do that. But that’s another example where the officer perceives this as a challenge to his authority – and it further escalates the whole scenario.”
When he says “get out of the car, or I will light you up,” he is apparently referring to the use of a taser. Is that a legitimate threat? Is that something that’s okay for officers to do in that situation?
“No – here’s the situation where he is clearly violating her cons utional rights. This is excessive force on the part of the officer – to take that taser and point it in her face and say, ‘I’m going to harm you.’ Taser is the last recourse to a gun. And if he can’t get her out, he can’t de-escalate it, he’s got to wait for another officer to come and talk through this.”
Right now, the trooper has been placed on administrative duty. He’s not on leave, he’s still working for DPS. It’s our understanding that there is a violation of policy here – he should not have allowed it to escalate.
We are talking about a certain level of discretion that the state apparently entrusts with its troopers. Should officers have that much discretion?
“He clearly exceeded that. … The discretion here is, how do you de-escalate the situation? He could have just given her the ticket and walked away. Just like that. But he had to go through this confrontation. Of course, there are questions of race that come up here. And the fact that this is an out-of-state car moving through the town – and we know in Texas that’s a pretty typical profiling event. What bothers me a lot is that troopers are supposed to be the best-trained police officers we have in the state. This guy is clearly out of control – clearly shouldn’t be out on the streets dealing with people – [given] this level of escalation that he provokes."
http://www.texasstandard.org/shows/c...n-should-know/
Thanks fof the education Trill....we need more of it and less bloviating from the black race haters
no prob. i'm going to try to keep the focus on justice for sandra.
Going to be a sad day when Jim Harrington retires.
now they're saying her smoking weed caused her to kill herself, y'all..
Mature, levelheaded servicepeople know they're going to deal with ty customers every once in a while. Difference is cops can actually apply force. With that authority comes the responsibility of being even more levelheaded than a typical serviceperson.
Yes, policing is a tough job and yes, it's always better to be calm and compliant when dealing with instead of vocalizing frustration or being a hardass, but if you give at ude, the worst you should ever get is at ude back.
Your twitter master left out one important fact so sheep like you would eat it up, no pun intended. With the extremely high level of THC reported in the toxicology report it had to have been an edible which could have definitely played a role in her suicide. I don't mess with edibles any more, that gets me paranoid on another level.
lol as if she was supposed to trust the jail personnel right after phuck abusive cop violated her.
but but but they asked her if anything was wrong and she said no.
smh
Let us all know your findings.
Also tell us if Bland had any dogs that died.
She made several phone calls in the jail over the 3 day span and didn't sound paranoid. Do you think the jail failed at searching her and she snuck in an edible and waited 3 days to eat it?
Anyone know if waller county jail sells edibles in their vending machines?
not disagreeing with what you said in the first part, partially. Because, after all she gave him at ude first. He responded like head, to which she responded like a ****. it was a like of proffesionialism on his part, but I can't say I'm a stranger to cops being that way toward me. But like I said I pick my fights and those that I do I try to solve it with their boss because that's usually the only way to do it
You're right.
drugs are impossible to acquire in jail.
edibles don't hit you in waves.
you can smoke and get to those levels of THC after three days.
dip use your brain
Will do.
Also, did Bland lose a baby or a fetus during the miscarriage?
An excellent explanation indeed
All I know is it wasn't a dog.
Baby or fetus?
What did I just say?
How did she acquire the drug with no currency? Edibles cause you to act paranoid and out of control, why didn't anyone in the jail hear or see her acting paranoid?You're right.
drugs are impossible to acquire in jail.
edibles don't hit you in waves.
you can smoke and get to those levels of THC after three days.
It doesn't matter what you say it is, it only matters what the mother says it is.
If that is the case it only indicates further incompetence or negligence on the part of the jail staff.
You said something avoiding my question.
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