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Exactly, Spur are *not* going to sign players who are not willing to change their game to suit the Spurs game. Fredette so far has not been willing to change his game, he has to understand he needs to become a Steve Kerr and not a John Stockton.
The problem is the same as any 6'6" player who wants to play like Michael Jordan but the team wants him to be a 3 and D player. There is only one ball in the court and scrubs need to know their role. If they don't understand this, then they can play in Europe or Asia where they can get the touches and be treated like the man.
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Don't know why some are being so definitive on either side of this debate? He's a role player at this level, and nothing more. But, he can still be a successful one. Chinook, I have no idea why you think he needs to fix his shot. He was a prolific scorer with that shot, so I don't see why he'd need to change it. He hasn't been as effective as a pro because he can't create the same kind of space for himself. Luckily, the other Spurs players and system should do that for him.
I'm not sold that he'll be Danny Green, but I do think he has a shot. Curious why so many are being dismissive of the possibility.
Because he has a hitch in his release and the ball is very low when he lets it go. That pretty much means his window to get his shot off is a lot smaller than it should be for him to succeed in the NBA. In a similar way, Anderson needed to fix his shot even though he shot 48 percent from the college three his final year. Jimmer has to be WIDE OPEN to get a shot off in the NBA. That almost never happens and definitely doesn't happen for long enough to consistently get him the ball in those situations.
That's what I was saying earlier. If he's going to need a team to give him WIDE OPEN looks, then he's really not worth the time. Eddie can spot up with the best of them, and he doesn't really need much space at all. There are a large number of guys who can hit WIDE OPEN shots in the d-league. The goal is finding ones who can get their shot off with minimal space, which improves spacing in the offense. No matter what he did in college, Jimmer's game is keeping him from being a very effective floor-spacer.He hasn't been as effective as a pro because he can't create the same kind of space for himself. Luckily, the other Spurs players and system should do that for him.
Isn't it odd that Tebow's last stop in the NFL was with the best organization in the NFL (i.e. The Patriots). He played in the preseason but eventually was released.
Jimmer has a similar opportunity with the best organization in the NBA. If he gets released, then it'll be the end of his career. That's how critical this camp will be for Jimmer. He absolutely has to kill it!
Situation seems to be similar in that Tebow's mechanics were in question. Jimmer has to take a risk on modifying his shot. This could end in disaster or it could pay dividends. High risk situation.
I have no idea why Tebow is a corollary. He was a glorified running back in college, that never had the skills to play QB at the next level. Jimmer is a shooting guard that has the skill set to play his position at the next level...i.e. he can shoot. I agree with the sentiment that this is probably his last stop in the NBA if he can't make it work, but he wouldn't be the first person to figure out the NBA after a few years in the league. And if there's any team that can help him put it together, it's the Spurs.
Tebow signed a deal with the Eagles this off-season.
Last I heard was that he went through a lot of work to fix his mechanics. Jimmer possibly may need to spend time out of the NBA to fix his shot.
Read this though about Tebow and the Jets: http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/05/why-...p-kelly-theory
Why did PATFO even bother with him if he's supposedly that underwhelming?
Because of his personality? The fact that this is his last chance in the league? Maybe they're counting on the fact that he will play to his strenghts and become a sort of a specialist.
Spurs stock piling talent just to package it for a trade down the line me thinks.
Question you got to ask is why PATFO didn't sign him to a guaranteed contract? I mean Ndoye got a similar kind of deal.
I don't think he's underwhelming. He just needs to prove that he's worth the #15 spot.
You're exaggerating the slowness of his release because it's not a single forward motion. It's not Eddie quick, but it's not Anderson slow either. Anderson is also not a good comp because he wasn't the volume shooter/scorer that Jimmer was in college. Jimmer proved, even with that extra dip, he could score with the best of them. It might not be as effective in the pros, but I don't think it needs to be totally remade.
And for all the talk about Eddie, I haven't seen a camp invite. Maybe it's forthcoming, but it would seem for the moment that the Spurs have more faith in Jimmer than they do in Eddie.
It's hard to say, but Eddie might have multiple non-guaranteed offers and he's waiting to see where his bed opportunity lays. That being said, I hope the Spurs can get him to camp.
It's equally likely that Jimmer had multiple camp offers. But if you were him would you go anywhere but San Antonio if given the chance? I don't think he got any fully guaranteed offers. Even at the minimum. That'd be too obvious to pass up. Jimmer will be given a roster shot. He's definitely intriguing considering his college success. But anybody that thinks the Spurs have grander plans for him are just lying to themselves. His chances of making the roster are slim at best. And if he does its for his shooting.
I'd take Anderson's college shot over Jimmer's shot any day. Anderson's release was and is slow, but it's extremely high, so there's really no chance of the shot being blocked. Kyle's going to have to learn to make shots with guys in his face, so it really isn't a big deal if his release gets faster. He'll never be a spot-up guy.
Jimmer's release is crazy-slow for a shooter, and unlike Anderson, Fredette is going to be playing against taller players and has a VERY realistic chance of getting block on any given attempt. It's also much easier to block his view of the basket, and he needs to have that view for longer due to his release. There's no question in my mind that that's why Fredette has struggled. The NBA is simply too fast for him to have the time to get off shots with his release.
From what I have gathered, Eddie is probably turning down invites hoping for a guaranteed contract. He had a deal over in Europe apparently but backed off near the end of the SL. I don't think this has anything to do with the Spurs not wanting to bring him into camp.And for all the talk about Eddie, I haven't seen a camp invite. Maybe it's forthcoming, but it would seem for the moment that the Spurs have more faith in Jimmer than they do in Eddie.
Anybody remember Jack McClinton's struggles? His shot was too low and he couldn't get it off. I think his release was fast too...but the angle killed him.
The difference between Jimmer and Eddie in this situation is that Jimmer can afford to take an un-guaranteed contract because he's played 4 years in the league (career earning in the multiple millions considering he's #10 pick). By contrast, Eddie is struggling paycheck to paycheck on a D-league salary. He's is looking for some kind of guarantee that he can feed his family.
To claim Spurs like Jimmer more because they haven't signed Eddie yet doesn't consider the situation of the player. People with the luxury to choose can accept an un-guaranteed contract. Poor folks like Ndoye got no choice but sign to next-to-minimum wage. Eddie is hoping that he has a choice, but in reality he doesn't.
Probably doesn't make sense for you and I to keep trading points when neither of our positions are secured in fact or statistics. Saying that there's no doubt in your mind his release is why he's struggled doesn't make it true. Nor does your assertion that Eddie is a wanted man, especially by the Spurs. Could both be true? Sure. But I don't think there's any stat out there (I tried looking for blocked shot rate as an example) to convince either one of us we're wrong.
So, we'll just have to see it play out. But if it plays out in my favor, I'm going to gloat hard because I have no class. Just be prepared for it.
What does it mean for it to work out in your favor? For Jimmer to make the team? For him to make the team without fixing his shot? For him to make the team without fixing his shot but still being at least mildly productive? For all that to happen while Eddie toils away in the d-league?
Right now, Jimmer's only compe ion for that 15th spot is Reggie Williams. Until the Spurs sign another guy who actually has a chance to make the roster, I'd say Fredette is on the right side of the bubble. But that won't defeat the fact that he shot is broken.
Wooo, quality discussion on this page.
Much better than the mind numbing crap that is the norm.
Maybe this could become the norm, and Jimmy will earn a spot.
There's the dilemma, he can try to fix his shot and deal with the consequences of temporarily having bad percentages or he can stick with what he currently has today. Without a commitment from an organization then he'll likely stick with his broken shot. He isn't going to change unless he is thrown out of the NBA and realize that he has to change his ways. Who knows, maybe that's the reason D. Green is a serviceable player. He was at the end of his rope before he made the realization.
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Jimmer becomes a part of the regular rotation without fixing his shot, irrespective of anything Eddie does. Damn you for asking me to give success criteria. Would've loved to claim success on any one of those things.
Well, you're more than welcome to gloat with that criterion. I don't think there's a chance in Fredette makes the regular rotation with or without a reworked stroke.
Loser has to take the other out to Hooter's for some wings!
This thread nearing 30 pages is starting to look embarrassing, tbh...
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