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LIES repeated often enough are taken as truth, and Repugs, Fox and accomplices are non-stop, coordinated LIARS.
"PP sells parts from aborted fetuses" is very certainly taken by Ms, if not 10Ms, as the Bible thumping, Godly revealed TRUTH.
very effective, politically speaking. that they were totally deceptive is a more or less impotent afterthought.
LIES repeated often enough are taken as truth, and Repugs, Fox and accomplices are non-stop, coordinated LIARS.
"PP sells parts from aborted fetuses" is very certainly taken by Ms, if not 10Ms, as the Bible thumping, Godly revealed TRUTH.
What are yall liberals going to do when technology eventually destroys your moral justification for abortion? Probably show your true colors and still support it is my guess.
ter McGee
Depends on the technology I guess. How invasive is it, what are the requirements you're placing on women to submit to it, etc? Provided the donation of a fetus to life-saving means is less invasive than abortion itself, I'd have no problem phasing out abortion completely.
The more realistic opponent to this is conservatives. They will find reasons to oppose the technology by saying it's not 100% reliable, not 100% safe, not God's will, that women will regret giving up the fetus, and so on.
Because ultimately the conservative opposition to abortion comes from the fear that women will be sexually promiscuous without accountability.
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It would be great if it abortion were completely obviated through the choice of women and men. Too bad conservatives don't want that to happen.
Eleven pages of convoluted apologist rationalization, but planned parenthood clearly got caught on tape negotiating prices for fetus body parts.
Why is this so hard to admit?
lol clearly
it's a gray area, but the buyers were illegal, frauds, and the sales are to cover costs only, not for profit. Why is that so hard to admit? defunding PP would KILL health care for Ms of women, but go right ahead, Bible thumpers, over poor women for your mythical Christ. He was very nasty to the poor Himself.
Eleven pages of convoluted apologist rationalization, but planned parenthood clearly got caught on tape negotiating prices for fetus body parts.
Why is this so hard to admit?
what is unclear to you? It was a price negotiation and preliminary agreement. Changing harvest method to something less "crunchy" (her words) to improve usable yield was also discussed.
i'm not outraged by the practice but your blind defense and refusal to admit they were negotiating selling fetus body parts is laughable.
Boutons "gray area"
Has she been arrested?
The Lamborghini reference was clearly a joke. I'm OK with that.
the dispute has raised questions about who the buyers and sellers are, what fetal tissue is used for and what the law allows.
Scientists at major universities and government labs have quietly been using fetal tissue for decades.
They say it is an invaluable tool for certain types of research, including the study of eye diseases, diabetes andmuscular dystrophy.
Nevertheless, some agree to talk about it only if their names and their universities’ names are withheld, because they have received threats of violence from abortion opponents.
Companies that obtain the tissue from clinics and sell it to laboratories exist in a gray zone, legally. Federal law says they cannot profit from the tissue itself, but the law does not specify how much they can charge for processing and shipping.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/28/he...s&emc=rss&_r=0
This whole episode is clearly a joke.
What is funny is watching you and boutons squirm. Legal or not that was negotiating to sell fetal baby parts and even discussing changing their procedures to maximize production and revenue. Is what it is. They would only get paid for viable parts so she discussed changing the whole procedure to maximize viability. You just can't squirm around that.
She negotiated under protest. She was fine throwing out a price of $50 to recoup her cost but the "buyer" negotiated the price UP to $100.
As a business owner, would you employ those same tactics when negotiating cost?
I am being serious. I am talking about the ethical issues involved, and how we will approach them.
Our technological capabilities will start blurring the lines, and already are in many cases.
In this case, all we have is reason and empathy to navigate the issue.
In this case, we are talking about a cluster of cells that cannot survive outside the mothers body. This cluster does have the form and potential to be a human being, yes.
But I would not define it as a "baby". In this case, semantics are important. For all practical purposes, an embryo and developing fetus are part of the mothers body.
That makes it NOT a baby. This is not a rationalization or attempt to avoid something.
Rationalizing is calling something what it isn't, then forcing a woman to be pregnant against her will based on that definition.
The "buyer" was attempting to get the woman to do something illegal, which was make a profit. The law allows for "reasonable" cost recovery.She negotiated under protest. She was fine throwing out a price of $50 to recoup her cost but the "buyer" negotiated the price UP to $100.
As a business owner, would you employ those same tactics when negotiating cost?
The fact that the planned parenthood rep stressed the legal and ethical issues, and planned parenthood's commitment to both was left out of the edited tape. Thankfully the people attempting to get the "gotcha" footage were at least honest enough to post the full transcripts.
Actually Fox news hosts, including O'Reilly have made a slew of statements that are provably wrong. It goes far beyond mere opinion.
"fetal body parts" = donated tissue, as noted.
If there is a researcher that wants a specific type of tissue that requires different methods, that would seem to be a valid, if somewhat gross, topic of discussion.
Also left out of the video was the PP representative talking about the types of medical research that tissue is used for, and it is a slew of the big ones, parkinsons, etc., and a lot of the muscle wasting diseases.
Disgusting, tbh. I don't care if it's legal, it's not right. But, like others have said, if the baby is already ing dead, then who cares about going even further and "donating" or "selling" or whatever you want to call it, right? It's just like any animal, now.
Assuming abortion will be banned again, what do you pro-life, Bible humpin, Christ lovin rightwingnuts propose to do with several 100K of wanted pregnancies EVERY YEAR?
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