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Tebow is garbage, and that's all there is to it.
Forget it. I'm goin' back to the NBA Forum.
Tebow is garbage, and that's all there is to it.
that's why you're a raiders fan. Yes offence.if he didnt have the mania behind him i wouldn't despise him as a #3 QB and holder for field goals. could have some creative fakes, and in an emergency situation, i'd rather have a QB with the balls to make a play then some conservative checkdown got backup. its why i hate ponder on the raiders... i'd rather have mcgloin be the backup
That ain't the ing point I'm making, Addy. And it mystifies and at the same time enrages me that you guys don't see the wrong in these two instances.
Now, I'm going to the NBA Forum. I'm not debating this with people who are so........ah, no sense in insulting you. See ya's in NBA Forum.
except that literally makes no sense. my fanhood is independent of all that. fanhood is inherently illogical. the raiders have been ty for a decade plus and im still a die hard fan.
the reason why you started being a fan is irrelevant, the reason you are still a fan, is because you have grown to think just like they do.
im still a fan because i dont believe in changing fanhoods. it doesn't make sense. i'm not shopping for a successful franchise. you grow an emotional attachment to a team, and that's that.
yes, and by allowing that you force yourself into having their mindset and outlook on things, otherwise it would create cognitive dissonance. Like you are forced to believe that keeping a cancer based on past perceived potential, is a low risk high reward move and like i'm forced to believe that paying players is bad for business.
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no. there are a lot of raiders moves that i criticize as they make them. talking about who i'd want as a #3 quarterback is hardly alarming
None said you have to be a parrot. Is just a tendency.
He outplayed him. He wasn't great (neither was any other rookie QB) but he wasn't as bad as Hoyer. At the end of the day Pettine's conservativeness played a bigger role in the decision than either player's performance.
30-59 (50.8%) passing for 296 yards (5.01 yards per attempt, 9.87 yards per completion) and 2 TD's during the preseason. he did nothing to get the starting gig when the opportunity was there.
for hoyer... 24-44 (54.5%), 261 yards (5.9 yards per attempt, 10.9 yards per completion) with 1 TD and 1 pick
plus hoyer closed with a good (relative) performance. if manziel showed competence, he would have had the job. but he was doing very poorly in practices (reports of them having to call plays dead because he got them wrong, etc) and didn't shine in games either
You didn't include Football's rushing yards. Regardless, like I said the decision had little to do with their actual play and more to do with Pettine putting so much value on experience. Not to mention the fact Football was a 21 year old rookie with only a couple weeks of training camp under his belt. But yeah let's act like that's as good as it'll get for him, you're really being objective and giving him a fair shake there.
if manziel performed well in preseason or earned confidence in practice, he would have been the starter. the raiders were intent on starting schaub the whole way, but he (like hoyer) performed miserably in the preseason, and Carr played very well in the preseason to earn a starting gig.You didn't include Football's rushing yards. Regardless, like I said the decision had little to do with their actual play and more to do with Pettine putting so much value on experience. Not to mention the fact Football was a 21 year old rookie with only a couple weeks of training camp under his belt. But yeah let's act like that's as good as it'll get for him, you're really being objective and giving him a fair shake there.
The Jags were intent on starting Chad Henne, but he sucked in the preseason and Bortles lit the world on fire, and he earned his starting gig.
For the Vikings gig, Matt Cassell actually had a pretty sharp preseason, so the Vikes didn't feel a need to throw in the rookie... Teddy would have had to put on a legendary preseason to win that job.
Teams always by default want to start the veteran and let the rookie learn... but if the veteran struggles, the rookie always has a chance to win. the simple story is that manziel wasn't good enough to earn the confidence over Hoyer who was stinking it up himself
lol STFU got
Your Raiders are a joke and so are the Jags, the Browns OTOH actually had a half decent squad. Letting a rookie play and win 2-3 games was an easier call for those two teams than for Cleveland. But sure keep philo-ing it up to fit your narrative.
Also tell us some more about how he proved how he's not going to pan out after a handful of quarters and at the ripe age of 22. That seems really fair and objective.
not sure where i specifically said that in this thread. i thought he was a ty prospect to begin with and he's done absolutely nothing to change my opinion. if anything, he's justified it. his off the field bull is on another level, which we've barely discussedAlso tell us some more about how he proved how he's not going to pan out after a handful of quarters and at the ripe age of 22. That seems really fair and objective.
Clowney will be fine. Him being on PUP is just a technicality. ...they gave Akeem Dent a new contract and he has started camp on PUP as well.
O'Brien on Clowney:
"He’s put a lot of time in. Will he be able to be out there right away when we put the pads on on August 3rd for our first full padded practice? No, he won’t be out there right away for that. I think you’ll see him eventually later in training camp and try to ramp him up for the season."
Jesus you have to be the worst poster to have a discussion with. Deflecting how? Even if the QB situations were the same that doesn't mean team expectations were. The Raiders and Jags had lower expectations so using that whole year to develop their QBs made more sense.
A handful of quarters and you're making comments about how you and a bunch of others knew he was going to be terrible. As if he's reached his ceiling at 22. But keep Philo-ing to try to paint it out like you're being objective about the whole thing.not sure where i specifically said that in this thread. i thought he was a ty prospect to begin with and he's done absolutely nothing to change my opinion. if anything, he's justified it. his off the field bull is on another level, which we've barely discussed
you're being intellectually dishonest with this. the browns were coming off a 4-12 season, their expectations were just as ty, especially when josh gordon was out for the year. you're deflecting because we are discussing 3 bad teams that had 3 similar qb situations and you are trying to change the topic with "your raiders are a joke and so are the jags." that's not the topic here, hence the deflection
i never said he's reached his ceiling. he was a poor prospect to begin with, as many people here pointed out. all i'm saying is that he's done absolutely nothing to change that perception.A handful of quarters and you're making comments about how you and a bunch of others knew he was going to be terrible. As if he's reached his ceiling at 22. But keep Philo-ing to try to paint it out like you're being objective about the whole thing.
last year this time he was a poor rookie prospect. as of now, he's a poor 2nd year prospect. maybe he'll change the way he approaches the game on and off the field and make something of himself, who knows. but he hasn't given anybody a reason to believe that
Nah, you're the one being dishonest. Most people, including posters here, thought Cleveland had a half decent squad. Obviously that was confirmed when they managed to be in playoff contention despite below average QB play from Hoyer.
Noone had any expectations for Oakland and Jacksonville and they went on to be just as ty as we thought they would be.
He's not a finished product. When you say 'I knew he was going to be terrible' it implies he is. When you use the fact that he can't'beat out' Hoyer and McCown + a couple quarters of play as a way to justify your conclusion of him it implies it that much more.
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