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Oh. It seems that we, the fans, tend to overblow the simplest behind the scenes events, such as this.
But, with this new info in light it looks like Jimmer is staying if he performs well during the camp.
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Teams don't like to give up on their own first round picks when there's still hope. I don't expect KA to be going anywhere. Plus, KA is trending upwards....
And you're basing this on Anderson's 2.2 ppg and 34.8 FG% last year? Not sure how you came to the conclusion of better let alone "considerably better."
Good reporting.
Yea, some people have been putting forth the idea that Jimmer got a modest $50K guarantee and that he was merely "auditioning" for other team. Half a mil would seem to indicate intent to keep him.
What is Reggie Williams partial guarantee? Is it low like others have surmised?
First off, I said nothing about his defense in my post.
Second, the Steve Nash comparison is pretty terrible. He might not have been setting the world on fire early on, but Nash also didn't have serious questions of whether or not he was even an NBA player. Jimmer is distinctly different as the jury is very much out on whether or not he can consistently play at this level and if anybody really wants him even as their 15th man.
But since you raised it, we all know that Jimmer is a terrible defender. In fact, hes in a very small fraternity that includes the absolute worst current defensive NBA players. Steve Nash also had defensive problems, but was a wizard on offense that ran in a gimmick system that inflated stats and won a lot of (regular season) games. He was flashy and popular and that largely motivated those MVP's. Still, he was quite amazing and definitely deserves a HOF billet.
So if you're implying that Jimmer has even a tenth of Nash's potential then he better start by making this team - after all, he purportedly provides exactly what they're seeking: shooting. And if hes going to tailor his game after any greats named Steve I'd recommend Kerr over Nash. Because at this juncture he should really consider San Antonio as a great opportunity to get a good head start on his Spanish language skills. He might really need them in a couple of months.
I've figured that Bonner and the Spurs have a sort of a stay ready verbal understanding. I would not be surprised to see him start a season 'retired' and come in mid-season as an injury replacement.
That is interesting that his deal is non-guaranteed. It makes him more likely to be cut than most realize. Just wondering when the NBA became the NFL though...
That might be optimistic given that Chip didn't even personally talk to Jimmer. But Pop may like what he gets and make something of it all the same.
scrub whose shot needs fixing
All you Jimmer haters can eat a D tbqh. Will bump this whence he earns a spot in the rotation. Feel free to bump and ridicule if I'm wrong. I can take it.
Don't dig yourself a hole on this one. 18.8% from 3 doesn't excite anybody.
The reality is that Anderson is definitely a better prospect than Jimmer. Despite his very poor showing in his rookie campaign, hes still only got one season of adjustment time under his belt and is still only 21. He has a lot more potential to improve vis-a-vis Jimmer's situation. Plus hes big for a SF whereas Jimmer is very small for a SG. It's really not much of a conversation. But they're both just prospects at this point and neither has proven anything as an NBA player.
Spurs fo agrees w me. In your face
Simmons is better than Anderson imo. So if Simmons is in the conversation then I'm throwing KA in the conversation.
It makes sense to me. I think at some point, the Spurs and Bonner came to a we want you if there's room but we need to be able to explore our options type of understanding.I wouldn't definitively rejoice if I was a Jimmer fan because it's possible that Pincus has make a mistake.
First, before the Fredette signing there was a source reporting that Bonner was 50% guaranteed :
https://twitter.com/NBACapAnalyst/st...66653979164672
Now, Pincus is saying that Bonner is fully non guaranteed and Fredette half-guaranted ($508K is half of his $1.05M salary).
I definitely can see Pincus having mixed Bonner and Fredette lines in his notes. It would also be consistent with report that Fredette contract was a training camp invite.
ing Eddie. While people say Jimmer can only shoot that is actually true for Eddie. No defense and no dribbling ability. Sign him up!
All you Jimmer haters can eat a D tbqh. Will bump this whence he earns a spot in the rotation. Feel free to bump and ridicule if I'm wrong. I can take it.
To me, this question is probably more pertinent than whether Jimmer will make the camp. But I've held off b/c of the ground swell of naysayers. In an offensive system, Jimmer can get it done. People saying otherwise don't know what the f their talking about. The question is can he play well enough at the defensive end of the floor to justify the minutes or can he play so great on the offensive end to overshadow whatever defensive woes.
Yea, Jimmer had a terrible year shooting 3's last season (his signature shot); and he (38FG) still shot a better FG% than KA (34.8). And I don't buy that KA absolutely has more potential than Jimmer. I'd say they're actually in similar boats right now despite Jimmer having a few more years under his belt. If KA can play like he did in the summer, he's got a lot of potential. If Jimmer can play like he did in college or even his third year in the league in which he average 19 per 36, then he has a lot of potential as well. I'm not going to sell either player short at this point. My only point was it seems kind of stupid to be calling a player who had such an anemic season "considerably better" than another player.
Re: Cuts
IMO, Simmons and KA aren't in the convo.
Williams, Jimmer, Ray, Bonner are in the convo to varying degrees.
Some were adding Simmons to the conversation so I was just mentioning that KA should then also be a part of it.
Really if he out plays Ray by a significant amount then he should be good. Not expecting much from Williams.
The difference is one anemic season versus four. Despite having had a lot more opportunities, Jimmer is still a big question mark. Also, Anderson, for all his shortcomings, is still only 21 and has a lot of basketball to play (and potentially a lot of growth). By comparison, Jimmer is now 26. Lastly, the Spurs invested a first rounder in Anderson and are likely to follow through on their investment. In Jimmer they have essentially nothing invested except at most a few hundred grand. This really isn't a debate. It's essentially prima facie.
A partial guarantee on both Bonner and Fredette would actually be a really solid strategy. Especially with those guarantees coming due in January. It gives the Spurs a nice stable of players to use right now and lets them get a nice long look at Jimmer Fredette. Also, it provides them some nice, easily waiveable options near the trade deadline. Those players can either be flipped to other teams in a trade and immediately waived (for cap savings) or can simply be waived by the Spurs to make roster space for one of the many potential buyout casualities that will be predicted around the league.
I've said that the Spurs will almost unquestionably be going forward with KA this season. I've said that I'm cautiously optimistic about his potential. I just don't think it makes sense to be calling him way better than Jimmer at this point when we are all aware of the big question marks there and especially based on his really poor showing last year in his first and only season.
It's fair to call Jimmer a big question mark. I don't know that he has really had "a lot more opportunities." I've followed Jimmer; and he never really had a fair opportunity in Sacramento. His windows of opportunity only shrunk from there. This is Jimmer's first real chance if he gets it, imo. The good thing is that he's played just enough in his career that nothing's new. He knows what he needs to do. He knows what he needs to work on, etc.
I don't think Ray is in the "cuts" convo. This team doesn't shed guaranteed salary often, and they had a need to replace CoJo. All Jimmer has to do to make the squad is outplay Reggie Williams. All the rest can be kept without impacting Jimmer. The real question is minutes and role.
I personally think he can carve out a Belinelli role, though the team will likely want less minutes from him than they asked of Beli. I'm intrigued by the potential from Simmons and KA, but both are on a longer glide path developmentally than Jimmer. I could see that being the reasoning, along with Jimmer's superior shooting, that the team ultimately rolls with Jimmer in those Beli minutes over the other two. That is, if Jimmer proves he belongs.
Gotta ask cause it's weird. We keep hearing that Sacto players were freezing him out and he never got a fair shot anywhere else he landed.
Was it the cult thing that freaked the players out?
Was it the onslaught of rabid Mormon posters all about the jimmer that pissed off the players and the fanbase?
Was it that he can't defend anyone anywhere that prompted the anti jimmer backlash?
Were players jealous that jimmer can have a load of wives and then be god of his own universe when he dies? What was the actual deal here?
I'll support him if he is on our team. He seems to be a good guy. Heck maybe, free throws are worth keeping him. I just think his D is too much to overcome.
Can he shoot free throws wearing a blue blazer and Khakis because I don't see him beating out anybody in the top 13 of the rotation.
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