Jimmer Fredette to the Spurs (Update: Mostly Non-Guaranteed Training Camp Deal)

[Gladney to see you]

Go watch BYU/SDSU hihglights. You won't find much b/c Fischer used KL as a 3rd or 4th or sometimes 5th, 6th or 7th option. But Jimmer would score on him once or twice and Fischer wouldn't have much patience to keep with it. SDSU actually considered Malcolm Thomas, a 6'9" forward with long arms and good lateral quickness to be their best Jimmer defender.

Thanks. I know jimmer is playing against way better players and won't be as good, but it seems he is also lacking the same confidence. The Aztecs had a pretty athletic and long team and he didn't care. He definitely lost some swagger somewhere. Maybe it was just coming in to the league and realizing he was human.

[Spurtacular]

Thanks. I know jimmer is playing against way better players and won't be as good, but it seems he is also lacking the same confidence. The Aztecs had a pretty athletic and long team and he didn't care. He definitely lost some swagger somewhere. Maybe it was just coming in to the league and realizing he was human.

The Kings owners were in danger of losing the team and drafted (traded for) Jimmer as a last ditch ploy. Their coaches then didn't know how to use a player like Jimmer who does great with high screens (and regular minutes). Jimmer's stats per 36 are somewhat remarkable given the dysfunctional systems that he was in.

I don't think Jimmer can be used quite the same as when he was in college due to the shorter shot clock and the different systems from college to the pros. But there are things can and should be incorporated. The high screen that I mentioned is one of them. When you have a guy who is a threat to make a three once he hits 28 feet, then you can use that high screen and spread the floor quicker. It doesn't mean you do it every possession; but the Kings/Pelicans did not do that on any regular basis whatsoever. Nor did the Kings/Pelicans ins ute wrinkles for Jimmer to come off a series of screens like smart teams do when they have great shooters.

[Spurtacular]

Final two paragraphs of Project Spurs Article (Click For Link):

Fredette is a career 38.1 percent three-point shooter and playing with the Spurs would mean he would get a lot more clean looks than he did with the Pelicans, as well as spot-ups, which every shooter prefers to creating for themselves. This is also a good opportunity for Fredette to prove to people that he was more than a college all-star turned washout. If he can contribute any sort of meaningful minutes, then he finds some vindication for all the hate he’s gotten over his short career.

It’s not his fault the Kings don’t know what they’re doing and the Bulls already had their squad, and that the Pelicans have too many undersized guards!

[DenialTwist]

I'm kind of surprised the Utah Jazz were never interested in Jimmer before? He's like a hometown hero there. He's popular and alot of people are still rooting for him to make his mark in the NBA.

[Spurtacular]

I'm kind of surprised the Utah Jazz were never interested in Jimmer before? He's like a hometown hero there. He's popular and alot of people are still rooting for him to make his mark in the NBA.

I followed it at the time. The Jazz were most certainly not going to draft Jimmer if he fell to their pick at 12. I don't recall if it was the GM or whomever (really multiple people) who acted like he was the smartest guy in the room and that he knows so much better. He was even blatantly -ish and throwing it in the fans faces too, saying junk like Jimmer wasn't a good fit (when that was not at all the case). As a lifelong Jazz fan, that's when I realized that the post Larry Miller era had ushered in d-bags; and I sort of started zoning them out (but not completely cos I like Hayward).

[DenialTwist]

I followed it at the time. The Jazz were most certainly not going to draft Jimmer if he fell to their pick at 12. I don't recall if it was the GM or whomever (really multiple people) who acted like he was the smartest guy in the room and that he knows so much better. He was even blatantly -ish and throwing it in the fans faces too, saying junk like Jimmer wasn't a good fit (when that was not at all the case). As a lifelong Jazz fan, that's when I realized that the post Larry Miller era had ushered in d-bags; and I sort of started zoning them out (but not completely cos I like Hayward).

Oh, I didn't know this happened. Thanks for that info.
Jimmer just hasn't had the chance to show off his skill set in the environment he has been put in with the Kings, Bulls and Pelicans. All three weren't good systems for him. I hope he makes the spurs team after training camp. I just have a good feeling the spurs will maximize his talent more than ever before.

[Maddog]

I followed it at the time. The Jazz were most certainly not going to draft Jimmer if he fell to their pick at 12. I don't recall if it was the GM or whomever (really multiple people) who acted like he was the smartest guy in the room and that he knows so much better. He was even blatantly -ish and throwing it in the fans faces too, saying junk like Jimmer wasn't a good fit (when that was not at all the case). As a lifelong Jazz fan, that's when I realized that the post Larry Miller era had ushered in d-bags; and I sort of started zoning them out (but not completely cos I like Hayward).

If I was the Jazz- I would not have considered him either. The expectations/attention would have been excessive and probably not benefited either party other than possibly ticket sales and jerseys...

[Gladney to see you]

I think this is part of what hurts him. A lot of teams just didn't want to deal with it. That being said, if he would have played well he wouldn't be in the situation he is today. Struggling with no guarantee to make the last spot on one of the best teams ever. His chances are less than 10% in my view.

[Spurtacular]

I think Jimmer's odds of making the team are great assuming that Pop doesn't have some special affinity for Reggie Williams. Some are throwing out the idea of the Spurs not filling the fifteenth spot to start the season like they've done in the past. I don't think that's their intention though. I think they're hopeful that Jimmer will show them something. Some have thrown out the idea of Jimmer filling the Belli role. Others note a need for another shooter and guard for when Parker and Ginobili go on the shelf.

[dweaver99027]

If his 3s and 2s fall at a good clip, he can't be any worse than Neal, except maybe clutchness.

[Spurtacular]

If his 3s and 2s fall at a good clip, he can't be any worse than Neal, except maybe clutchness.

I liked Neal; but apparently a lot of Spurs fans weren't high on him. From a purely numbers standpoint, Jimmer should do better, imo.

[boutons_deux]

Neal hit a huge 3G winner vs Lakers, so now he's eternally a clutch Spur?

[dweaver99027]

He also won us the Memphis game in 2011 and went ham against the Heat in a Finals game.

[littlecoyotecoin]

The Kings owners were in danger of losing the team and drafted (traded for) Jimmer as a last ditch ploy. Their coaches then didn't know how to use a player like Jimmer who does great with high screens (and regular minutes). Jimmer's stats per 36 are somewhat remarkable given the dysfunctional systems that he was in.

I don't think Jimmer can be used quite the same as when he was in college due to the shorter shot clock and the different systems from college to the pros. But there are things can and should be incorporated. The high screen that I mentioned is one of them. When you have a guy who is a threat to make a three once he hits 28 feet, then you can use that high screen and spread the floor quicker. It doesn't mean you do it every possession; but the Kings/Pelicans did not do that on any regular basis whatsoever. Nor did the Kings/Pelicans ins ute wrinkles for Jimmer to come off a series of screens like smart teams do when they have great shooters.

So, in order to be effective offensively, he has to have lots of minutes. You can't play him situationally, and expect him to have the same sort of success. This is your admission. So, Pop must play his worst defender at two guard for long stretches. I don't know, but that sounds a little bit like a non-starter.

[Spurtacular]

So, in order to be effective offensively, he has to have lots of minutes. You can't play him situationally, and expect him to have the same sort of success. This is your admission. So, Pop must play his worst defender at two guard for long stretches. I don't know, but that sounds a little bit like a non-starter.

I didn't say "lots of minutes." I said regular minutes. And this isn't abnormal. Most players do much better with regular minutes. And you know what sh*tty defensive player gets lots of minutes btw? Parker. Are you arguing that the Spurs should not play Parker?

[littlecoyotecoin]

I didn't say "lots of minutes." I said regular minutes. And this isn't abnormal. Most players do much better with regular minutes. And you know what sh*tty defensive player gets lots of minutes btw? Parker. Are you arguing that the Spurs should not play Parker?

Parker has been able to defend his position the majority of his career. Again, you're in bad shape when trying to argue Jimmer's defensive prowess as "better than Parker". He is not better than Parker, defensively. Better than Parker recently? Probably, but that's not a good case for Jimmer.

I anticipated that you would say you didn't say a lot but "regular". So, if he gets a regular 3-5 minutes a game, I guess you're gonna be good with that, cuz, you know, it's regular.

[ceperez]

So, in order to be effective offensively, he has to have lots of minutes. You can't play him situationally, and expect him to have the same sort of success. This is your admission. So, Pop must play his worst defender at two guard for long stretches. I don't know, but that sounds a little bit like a non-starter.

I don't think Jimmer should move over to the SG position. Spurs have survived for so many years with Parker at PG, they can also survive with Jimmer at PG.

Just basing my opinions on what I've seen in the videos, I think Jimmer is a better and more creative ball handler and passer than McCallum. He also has a better sense of spacing. Obviously he's a better shooter than McCallum. Surprisingly, Fredette in 1/2 an inch taller than McCallum. What McCallum has is the athleticism, whether that trumps all the other plusses Jimmer has is an open question.

We'll just have to see both of them play, but right now, I'm finally leaning towards Fredette because the Spurs work better with skilled players over athletic players.

[lmbebo]

McCallum is more of a natural PG. Jimmer is a SG in a PG body

[tbdog]

McCallum is more of a natural PG. Jimmer is a SG in a PG body

With Manu/Diaw and possibly Anderson in the second unit, this is why Jimmer is best suited to play the backup point if Mills goes down. He can fill right in for Mills and play the same role on the offense. This is when McCallum will struggle. I want to ball in Manu and Diaw hands to organise the offence, and he isn't providing enough spacing to stand in the corner.

[Spurtacular]

Parker has been able to defend his position the majority of his career. Again, you're in bad shape when trying to argue Jimmer's defensive prowess as "better than Parker". He is not better than Parker, defensively. Better than Parker recently? Probably, but that's not a good case for Jimmer.

I anticipated that you would say you didn't say a lot but "regular". So, if he gets a regular 3-5 minutes a game, I guess you're gonna be good with that, cuz, you know, it's regular.

Even 3-5 mins a game is more fluid than a big run of DNPs, yes. I don't know who's gonna be "good with that" per say. But Jimmer can certainly work with that. If he comes in and hits a couple bombs, he can make his own case for more time. Regular minutes create stability; this is pretty fundamental to basketball. And when the lowly Kings weren't giving their 10th overall pick regular minutes let alone quality minutes, that was a tell about their organization.

[Spurtacular]

I don't think Jimmer should move over to the SG position. Spurs have survived for so many years with Parker at PG, they can also survive with Jimmer at PG.

Just basing my opinions on what I've seen in the videos, I think Jimmer is a better and more creative ball handler and passer than McCallum. He also has a better sense of spacing. Obviously he's a better shooter than McCallum. Surprisingly, Fredette in 1/2 an inch taller than McCallum. What McCallum has is the athleticism, whether that trumps all the other plusses Jimmer has is an open question.

We'll just have to see both of them play, but right now, I'm finally leaning towards Fredette because the Spurs work better with skilled players over athletic players.

When Manu and Mills play together; Mills is technically PG and Manu is SG. But in reality, it's often reversed. If Jimmer is playing with Green, then yea you want him at PG. Without laboriously going over every situation, I think it just depends on who the the backcourt mate is....

As for McCallum, the thing I like about him is his build. He seems like he can dribble the ball to offensive start points better than Jimmer because of that. And he can probably finish at the rim better. And statistically, Ray is only very marginally better than Jimmer. Of course, people don't talk about "but Ray can't defend." It's just easy to pick on the "slow white guy," tbh.

Jimmer's a far better shooter. He's a better at spacing the floor. He's better in pick n' roll. I would argue Jimmer's even the better passer frankly. He's a very under-rated passer.

[Spurtacular]

With Manu/Diaw and possibly Anderson in the second unit, this is why Jimmer is best suited to play the backup point if Mills goes down. He can fill right in for Mills and play the same role on the offense. This is when McCallum will struggle. I want to ball in Manu and Diaw hands to organise the offence, and he isn't providing enough spacing to stand in the corner.

Jimmer is basically a Mills type player; and McCallum is basically a CoJo player. How many people were arguing that CoJo should be ahead of Mills? Not many. I did understand the argument that CoJo should start when TP was down because Mills plays better with Manu in the second unit (much better). But Jimmer is actually a better ball handler than Mills and has traditionally flourished in his starts; so, Spurs fans may be pleasantly surprised for whenever Jimmer may get a spot start.

[Darius Bieber]

33+ pages on someone who isn't even gonna be on the opening day roster.

[ceperez]

When Manu and Mills play together; Mills is technically PG and Manu is SG. But in reality, it's often reversed. If Jimmer is playing with Green, then yea you want him at PG. Without laboriously going over every situation, I think it just depends on who the the backcourt mate is....

As for McCallum, the thing I like about him is his build. He seems like he can dribble the ball to offensive start points better than Jimmer because of that. And he can probably finish at the rim better. And statistically, Ray is only very marginally better than Jimmer. Of course, people don't talk about "but Ray can't defend." It's just easy to pick on the "slow white guy," tbh.

Jimmer's a far better shooter. He's a better at spacing the floor. He's better in pick n' roll. I would argue Jimmer's even the better passer frankly. He's a very under-rated passer.

Just based on what I've seen in the videos, I will have to agree with you here.

McCallum is likely a better defender, but I can't say for sure how much worse Jimmer is worse in defense. I also don't think McCallum would be a better defender than Joseph, which sadly appears to be a pretty low bar. I would guess that McCallum is just slightly better than Parker in defense.

[ceperez]

Jimmer is basically a Mills type player; and McCallum is basically a CoJo player. How many people were arguing that CoJo should be ahead of Mills? Not many. I did understand the argument that CoJo should start when TP was down because Mills plays better with Manu in the second unit (much better). But Jimmer is actually a better ball handler than Mills and has traditionally flourished in his starts; so, Spurs fans may be pleasantly surprised for whenever Jimmer may get a spot start.

He's a Mills type player because he's a shoot first point guard? Isn't Parker also a shoot first point guard?

I'm a bit baffled why people keep slotting Jimmer as a SG. I understand Mills as a SG because he just doesn't orchestrate the offense well enough. It's not that he can't dribble, but I think his size makes it problematic to run the offense.

Jimmer is as big as either McCallum or Parker, so he should do fine as a PG.

I keep being reminded of Beno Udrih. Spurs hated it when he was destroyed in the championship series against Detroit, but when you watch him play with Memphis, he does seem to be a serviceable point guard. I would say Jimmer is in the same class as Beno in terms of ball handling skills. He doesn't have the speed like Mills or Parker to speed past a larger defender but, considering that he'll be out there with the 2nd unit, his PG skills aren;t going to be too much or a problem. Besides, the 2nd unit has guys like Manu, Anderson and Diaw, all guys that can take the ball if ever there's too much back court pressure.

It just seems to me that Jimmer's major liabilities (1) Defense and (2) Bringing the ball up can all be hidden by the kind of players the Spurs have.

What I see being exposed in a championship context is the poor shooting percentages of a guy like McCallum. God forbid they treat him like Tony Allen and dare him to shoot when open.