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id say adoption but you are correct, there is no alternative to death.
8-10 more damning videos to be released. Some may take a month or so, have to wait for the temporary to run out on any of them that mention Stem Express.
id say adoption but you are correct, there is no alternative to death.
Last edited by ddjeffries; 07-31-2015 at 05:48 PM.
they have all been and certainly will be heavily edited hoaxes, exactly like Fox vids, O'Keefe .
Then don't watch the edited versions. The full versions were posted at the same time. Here I'll link them for you.
https://youtu.be/H4UjIM9B9KQ
https://youtu.be/vwAGsjoorvk
https://youtu.be/wV2U9unI1NM
anything ILLEGAL in there?
PP haggling over pricing for different specimens. That would be the illegal part. But you should watch the video and not take my word for it.
SOUTHERN racist Baptist Bible humpin rightwingnuts
The Latest Anti-Choice Move: Try to Take Custody of a Woman's Fetus
States have tried all sorts of things to prevent women from having abortions. They’ve enacted waiting periods, ultrasound laws and parental notifications. They’ve passed laws that force doctors to lie to women and force women tovisit with ideological zealots. Some legislators have even attempted to make women get a man’s consent before obtaining the procedure – a paternalistic permission slip to access their legal rights.
But Alabama has brought efforts to restrict abortion to a whole new level, as the state tried this week to stop a woman from getting an abortion by terminating her parental rights... to her fetus.
District attorney Chris Connolly filed a pe ion to terminate an incarcerated woman’s parental rights for the sole purpose of stopping her from ending her pregnancy. The woman, known as Jane Doe, had filed a lawsuit in order to be granted a furlough to obtain the procedure. Connolly told a local paper, “Our position, if the termination for parental rights is granted, is that [she] would not have standing to obtain the abortion.” He’s arguing that Doe’s parental rights should be rescinded because she is facing charges of chemical endangerment of a child.
http://www.alternet.org/gender/lates...y-womans-fetus
What does this have to do with PP allegedly selling aborted baby parts? The argument isn't over abortion, it's over federal law banning the sale of human remains and altering abortion procedures in order to obtain intact specimens.
Clearly you are just going to ignore the subject at hand and refuse to even watch the videos to see what they are alleging.
So far one state health inspector closed the complaint taking no action after inspecting the facilities. I know you want your Breitbart style entrapment to be definitive.
the law is about selling the remains for profit. there is nothing about negotiating price when there are costs concerned. Are you angling for funerals or something?
I don't know how you become more contrived political theater than by this slow rolling the release of youtubes.
entrapment? How about an investigation? And no, one inspector going through one set of facilities is not an investigation. Who knows what a proper investigation would find? But these videos are MORE then enough for an investigation.
the two notions are not mutually exclusive. investigators can and do entrap all the time.
this gotcha find the corrupt employee bit is the tactic of the fake GOP breitbart cottage industry. They did this same thing trying to prove voter fraud last year. your website doesn't get to have an authoritative investigation and if you take that as gospel your an idiot. As has been pointed out, state health inspectors are inspecting the issue in addition to the other required inspections. One has already closed the case and found no substance to the allegations.
Now the state health inspectors isn't a valid investigator but your youtubes are?
You can cross your fingers and hope one of the others have legs if you like. Seeing how the GOP push for the Planned Parenthood shutdown is rumbling I think you make a good rube frankly. That is the path your 'leadership' is taking you and your dumb as if you don't think that it's orchestrated.
which law is that? chapter and verse.
I bet nothing comes of these "investigations."
Much of the controversy stems from a lack of widespread public knowledge of who buys and sells fetal tissue, what it is used for, and what the law allows regarding its purchase and sale. Scientists have been using such material in medical research for decades to study (and possibly develop cures for) a number of diseases and medical ailments, but commercial fetal tissue transactions take place in something of a legal gray zone: agencies may sell fetal tissue that has been “donated” for that purpose (through abortion), but they may not profit from it. According to federal law they may only charge for the processing and shipping involved in transferring the material from donor to purchaser, but the law doesn’t regulate how much they may charge.
According to the New York Times:
The National Ins utes of Health spent $76 million on research using fetal tissue in 2014 with grants to more than 50 universities, including Columbia, Harvard, the Massachusetts Ins ute of Technology, Stanford, Yale and the University of California in Berkeley, Irvine, Los Angeles, San Diego and San Francisco. It expects to spend the same amount in 2015 and 2016.
Researchers say fetal tissue is a uniquely rich source of the stem cells that give rise to tissues and organs, and that studying how they develop can provide clues about how to grow replacements for parts of the body that have failed
“Think of fetal tissue as a kind of instruction booklet,” said Sheldon Miller, the scientific director of the intramural research program at the National Eye Ins ute.
“We couldn’t get this information any other way,” Dr. Miller said. He said the eye ins ute bought fetal tissue from a company, created specialized cultures of retinal tissue from it and sent them to other researchers.
Fetal tissue may only be used or sold post-abortion with the consent of the woman undergoing the procedure. Although some researchers may obtain fetal tissue directly from abortion clinics at their own medical facilities, others have to purchase it from middlemen who pay fees to providers such as Planned Parenthood for specimens and then resell those specimens to researchers. Planned Parenthood maintains they charge only what the law allows (i.e., what they need to cover their expenses in such transactions), while the middlemen charge a markup to cover their processing costs. But regulation of these types of transactions is somewhat murky:However, these transactions often involve far more than simply conveying fetal tissue from one place to another — they can also require very expensive processing and shipping necessary to satisfy the requirements of end purchasers:
The fees, which can run to thousands of dollars for a tiny vial of cells, do not break the law, according to Arthur Caplan, the director of the division of medical ethics at NYU Langone Medical Center.
“It appears to be legal, no matter how much you charge,” Dr. Caplan said, adding that there appears to be little or no oversight of the processing fees. “It’s a very gray and musty area as to what you can charge.”
A StemExpress brochure publicized by the organization Center for Medical Progress includes an endorsement from a Planned Parenthood official, Dr. Dorothy Furgerson, who was quoted as saying: “Our partnership with StemExpress is beneficial in a number of ways.” Planned Parenthood critics pointed out that the brochure included several references to the financial benefits for clinics of fetal tissue sales, such as a statement that a partnership with StemExpress “will also be contributing to the fiscal growth of your own clinic.” The wording of this promotional material has been proffered as evidence that abortion clinics are illegally profiting from fetal tissue sales.
StemExpress uses procurement technicians to obtain fetal tissue. “We’re collecting biohazardous waste, discarded waste,” [founder Cate] Dyer said. “They go to a hospital or to a facility that does terminations and collect tissues from those waste products.”
Back at the company, lab technicians process the tissue to try to isolate the specific cell type a researcher has ordered — for instance, fetal liver stem cells.
“These cells are hard to isolate,” Ms. Dyer said. “These are hard processes, expensive processes that take millions of dollars of equipment. Just to attempt to do some of these isolations can cost us thousands of dollars, and it may not even work.”
The effort is reflected in the pricing: a vial containing five million frozen fetal liver CD133+ stem cells can cost more than $24,000.
The final products are shipped fresh or frozen. Shipping fees are separate from specimen costs, and an overnight shipment to Germany, for example, can cost thousands of dollars, according to Ms. Dyer.
The public scrutiny of fetal tissue sales brought about by the Center for Medical Progress videos may bring additional oversight (or even legal changes) to the practice:
George J. Annas, a law professor and bioethicist at Boston University, said, “What’s going on now is probably legal, but Congress won’t like it.”
Regarding the companies, Mr. Annas said: “They won’t be real happy that this is all out in the public. This threatens their business. Even if what they’re doing is legal, the law can easily be changed.”
Read more at http://m.snopes.com/fetal-tissue-sal...WqusiIopjzm.99
A gray area that the anti-lifers and Repugs and Bible humpers will definitely try to turn into a black (illegal) area, blocking medical research.
Congress and red state legislatures will defund PP.
... which will, like Repugs closing health clinics in TX, increase unwanted pregnancies for want of contraception, increase perinatal deaths of mother and child for want of perinatal care, and increase abortions (estimated +20K abortions/year in TX).
But in dog-eat-dog "Christian" America, those poor dogs don't count, while all the non-poor dogs will continue to get contraception, perinatal care, and abortions.
just curious, where do you get the figure on increased abortions?
on the innertubes, of course. The article said TX avgs about 80K abortions/year before Repugs closed the clinics and that closed clinics (no free contraception) could increase TX abortions by about 20K/year. I can't remember if it said how many unwanted, but non-aborted, pregnancies would occur. Repugs up everything they touch, "for Christ Whom they love so much". 20K abortions more "dying for Repugs sins".
share the link?
had to search this, but it could be this one
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...n-law/4339335/
not quite. thanks for trying.
I guess we'll just have to take your word for it that shuttering PP leads to more abortions.Texas Solicitor General Jonathan Mitc said the groups had no way of knowing how clinics would be affected by the law before it took effect. Jones and Haynes also cast doubt on the groups' forecast that the privileges requirement would force at least one-third of the state's abortion clinics to close, denying more than 20,000 women access to an abortion annually.
but you believe a compromised, politicized Repug solicitor general?
The tissue trade
Dislike of abortion and support for Planned Parenthood should go together
Aug 1st 2015 | NEW YORK | From the print edition
EVEN ardent advocates of a woman’s right to an abortion may grow queasy from watching a series of undercover videos of meetings with representatives from Planned Parenthood, a national group that offers reproductive-health services, including abortions. In order to harvest hearts, lungs and “as many intact livers as possible” from aborted fetuses, providers use ultrasound to make sure they do not “crush that part,” explains Deborah Nucatola, a medical director for the group, between sips of wine. Another shows a medical executive named Mary Gatter apparently negotiating the sale of fetal “specimens”.
The videos come courtesy of the Centre for Medical Progress, an anti-abortion pressure group. The three released since July 14th have been watched millions of times, and the group promises “thousands of hours” more. It says the videos show that Planned Parenthood is running a “black market for baby parts”, which is illegal. Planned Parenthood denies this claim, and the recordings do not quite prove that the organisation is profiting from these transactions. But abortion providers at their health centres are apparently aware of the value of fetal tissue, which scientists need for a wide array of medical research. And the videos, with their casual talk of “suction” or a “less crunchy technique”, make for powerful propaganda.
Ted Cruz, a senator from Texas, stirred crowds at an anti-abortion rally on Capitol Hill on July 28th with calls for a federal criminal investigation. Rand Paul, a senator from Kentucky, has been keen to perk up his poll numbers by leading a fight to “strip every dollar” of government funding from Planned Parenthood, which counts on federal and state coffers for nearly $530m of its $1.3m annual budget. Senate Republicans plan to vote on defunding the organisation before the August recess.
Polls show that pro-life voters are in the minority, but they punch above their weight because they care more about where politicians stand on the issue. Surveys find that most Americans support keeping abortion legal within the first weeks of conception; but this sympathy plummets once the woman enters her second trimester, and nearly disappears when she reaches her third (see chart), by which time ultrasounds offer more detailed pictures of fingers and toes. Campaigners have worked with this discomfort. Twelve states now require abortion providers to proffer details about a fetus’s ability to feel pain; ten mandate an ultrasound (though it is not medically necessary); and 14 have introduced bans on an abortion 20 weeks after conception.
Defunding Planned Parenthood may seem a logical next step. But federal funding for abortion is already banned, except in cases of rape, incest or where a woman’s life is in danger. Moreover, much of Planned Parenthood’s work involves preventing unplanned pregnancies in the first place. Of the 2.7m patients who used one of its clinics in 2013, eight in ten came for contraception. Three-quarters had incomes at or below 150% of the federal poverty level. These demographics matter because abortion trends divide by income: the rate for well-off women has dropped by nearly 30% in 20 years, whereas for poor women it has climbed nearly 20%. This is largely because poor women, with worse schooling and not much access to health care, are five times more likely to become pregnant unexpectedly.
For every public dollar spent on contraception, the government saves $5.68 in Medicaid spending on pregnancies, according to the Guttmacher Ins ute, a pro-choice NGO. Planned Parenthood reaches over a third of all qualifying patients, making it the biggest provider of these services. In addition, its clinics carried out 500,000 screenings for breast cancer and 4.5m tests for sexually-transmitted diseases in 2013. The number of abortions performed each year in America has fallen by a third since 1990. Without Planned Parenthood it would be far higher.
From the print edition: United States
There shouldn't be a gray area though, and I'm not an anti-lifer/repug/bible humper either. And I don't care if what they were doing was perfectly legal. I think a lot of people such as myself are disgusted with how nonchalantly the people in the video were and how they cracked jokes about what they were doing. Some of the stuff that came out of their mouths was absolutely sick.
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