No hyperbole. Plenty of people have argued this from the financial angle.
And my point is that cutting Jimmer isn't gonna save money; it's gonna cost money. Thus, if you keep Jimmer off the team it is because you see a better option on the court.
I'm not sure Jimmer jersey sales in Utah go directly into their pocket, and this is Jimmer 5 years on. I am even hoping some of that has dissipated. Gambling on trying to make that money back on cult of personality is not how I would imagine them addressing their roster. But, no, "people" are not worried. That's you hyperbolizing the situation. However, I do Imagine they take into consideration saving a million or more dollars, while at the same time finding someone that is a better fit. I am sure that they took that into consideration. It's called being prudent. Not worrying.
But, if Pincus is correct, it looks like they may have agreed with you, that Jimmer's worth the gamble.
Not based upon Tebow-like hysteria and potential to recoup the money on Jimmer Jumper club level packages, or other type of Jimmer mania would bring. It would be in spite of that circus, probably. Not because of it, or hope for it.
No hyperbole. Plenty of people have argued this from the financial angle.
And my point is that cutting Jimmer isn't gonna save money; it's gonna cost money. Thus, if you keep Jimmer off the team it is because you see a better option on the court.
I simply think Beli's size makes him much more versatile, considering we already have a Jimmer in Patty. If he were 3-4 inches taller, you wouldn't hear a peep out of me. He would be Beli. But, he small.
Anyway, I'm going to root him on, why not? I always assume they know better than me. Pincus says they've all but made the decision to run with him.
He just tweeted it so it can't be that old, don't shoot the messenger, I'm just ready for the season to start.
As much as everyone has doubted the amazing duo of Anderson/Simmons that we had in Summer League, I think Spurs loved those two!!! I loved them! They play really well together and make each other better. I know ppl doubt them bc they are unproven, but they are not unknown to the Spurs or new to the system. Spurs have taken flyers on guys before based on their own evaluation. Anderson in particular they have nurtured like a young son. He played about 40 mins per game over 26 games in the D'league last year, and Simmons they know from 2 years in Austin. The effort they both put in made them stand out. I think Spurs believe they will be good enough for the roles they will be asked to play (and I hope better because I like them so much!!!). But lets be more realistic, they will be good enough.
It's actually Ok to get a shooter in Jimmer. Reggie did not produce like he was expected to last year. Spurs waived Austin Daye and got someone who was not much better TBH. Jimmer played poorly last year too. So it will be a race between these two. If both are bad, then the Spurs don't retain either and leave that spot open possibly.
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Yes. Itis complete hyperbole to say we or the Spurs are worrying. Taking these things into consideration is. Not. Worrying. That's you overstating the discussion.
And, I must have missed your summary as to how cutting him was going to cost money, which I'm not su sure I believe, and is probably based on them guaranteeing him 500k, which sounds more possible after Pincus' reiteration, but still not written stone. If so, though, much of this is moot. They wouldn't guarantee that much unless they were relatively confident he'd make the team. Good for him.
No problemo.
Like it or not, Jimmer is taking the 15th roster spot at least until January 10. That's the date by which all contracts are guaranteed for the rest of the season. Same for Bonner. They both have guarantees for half a season. The only way Jimmer isn't on the roster opening night is if someone dramatically and unexpectedly emerges in training camp. The way I see it, the Spurs want to take a long look to see if he could fit into their system. If not, he's gone January 10 and they have a spot open for waivers, buyouts, d league call ups, etc. The only thing the Spurs want him here to do is shoot the ball. I foresee him being used much the same way Re is used by the clippers. He won't be playing as much as Re does but he could give the Spurs yet another offensive look for opposing teams to consider. The potential versatility of our roster could be scary for opponents. It could make it virtually impossible to game plan against the Spurs.
Uh, "some people" does not mean you or the Spurs, dude. Thus, I'm not overstating anything. I'm relaying exactly what some people have argued and I'm putting forth a counter argument. There's no hyperbole in that; and if you still think that, then I suggest you pick up a dictionary and read it.
I'm not privy to all of the Spurs financials or every aspect of the CBA; but I can tell you that the Spurs will be making more that $2.7 M off of Jimmer this season. I'm not saying that perhaps Jimmer mania hasn't died down, but Kings merchandise sales went up 540 percent in one year upon the arrival of Jimmer. In merchandise sales alone, I would not be surprised if the $2.7 M was eclipsed. This says nothing of added ticket sales, ratings, etc. Now, I'm not saying that this is of any over-riding concern to the Spurs. But what I am saying is that Jimmer will not be cut based on financials.
Reggie would have to dazzle at training camp to get the spot over Jimmer. If I were him, I'd consider asking the team for a release so that he can get ahead of the curve and try out for another team.
You think jimmer's better than a Harden 2.0?
Didn't realize that he's a left handed player.
That's why he's in the roster, more like a Manu backup. Anyway, Spurs have Simmons now.
Eric Pincus reported that Jimmer has $508k of his deal guaranteed. Reggie Williams has $0 guaranteed. One of the SAEN beat writers also said recently he thought Williams knew he wasn't coming back because Williams posted something on his instagram thanking the spurs fans. It will be interesting to see what happens after training camp. BTW, Bonner is guaranteed about $795k.
https://twitter.com/EricPincus/statu...62418528354304
Thanks for the info. Williams is likely going to sign off-shore. NBA veterans like Williams aren't en led to any pay while in camp. That's different from Ndoye who at least gets some per diem.
More like Harden 0.2.
Re: "some people" are worried is even worse than saying just me. It implies a group. Can you name them? Who is worried? If it's several individuals, what verbiage did they use that implied worry? I know you can't answer those question, as no one is worried.
People are just pointing out facts.
And, Bruno is sticking to his claim that Pincus is probably making an error, Fwiw.
The rest of that stuff is two in the bush, the 1+ million is a bird in the hand. I still doubt the Spurs of all teams are going to consider that. They pick him if he is best fit/best available and priced right.
Definitely another good soap opera, to add to Boban's bum foot.
Dude, you don't even have to search beyond this thread to find people making the financial arguments. And there's been a good amount of that on the board as a whole.
Making an argument is not worry. Worry has a specific connotation associated with it. It was pointed out that they may not want to pay double for him, especially if someone is comparable in camp. This does not cons ute worry, dude. Who are these multiple people that are worried, and what verbiage did they use that rose to the level of worry...people...plural. Who?
Worried vs. argument? Semantics, dude. And I've already pointed out that the paying double argument is a farce (or miscalculation) as the Spurs will be profiting on Jimmer. That was the whole thing I've explained X times, and then you come back and re-make the argument anyhow
Plenty of people have argued against signing Jimmer from a financial p.o.v. But why would I want to go back and find the specific examples for you? That doesn't make sense. You must think I have nothing better to do with my time.
Making a well-reasoned argument is not the same as worrying. It is often the opposite. Cold, calculating, and emotionless. The opposite of worry. The idea that you want to equate them semantically is understandable, given you won't be able to go back and find multiple people that were worried.Worried vs. argument? Semantics, dude. And I've already pointed out that the paying double argument is a farce (or miscalculation) as the Spurs will be profiting on Jimmer. That was the whole thing I've explained X times, and then you come back and re-make the argument anyhow
Plenty of people have argued against signing Jimmer from a financial p.o.v. But why would I want to go back and find the specific examples for you? That doesn't make sense. You must think I have nothing better to do with my time.
These were your words and semantics you disagreed with. I didn't care to get into it, but YOU kep saying you weren't hyperbolizing the situation. You threw a hissy fit when I said you were hyperbolizing the Jimmer salary discussion. You said people are worrying about it. The arguments were pretty matter of fact. So, you wish to retract your "people worrying" comment and replace it with "arguing" that he would cost more? No problem. I guess you agree that no one was worried about The Spurs' decision, just pointing out some cases against Jimmer. To backpedal would be a good move.
I'm not going to say you are worried, but if anyone is being passionate, bias, and/or emotional about the kid, I would have to bet on you. Bruno's argument was dispassionate. I am as indifferent as can be toward their decision. If they give him the spot, I'll take their word for it. I was thinking someone bigger, but I don't care if they over-ride my preference.
Will you be as indifferent if Bruno is right, Pincus is wrong, and Jimmer doesn't make the team? Maybe, but it sure doesn't sound like it.
The idea that worry has a "connotation" doesn't mean that an argument doesn't express a worry or a concern, dude. You are engaging in ridiculous semantics at this point. And your hyperbole argument is only an extension of your ridiculousness.
No hissy fit either, dude. It's you who are now taking a step into hyperbole by characterizing my responses as such.
Furthermore, I retract nothing. I've explained that this board is littered with arguments or concerns about keeping Jimmer based upon a financial p.o.v. And I mean littered. This shouldn't even be a road you're pursuing. If I thought it was one or two or three posts, I might be at least tempted to go back and find stuff for you. But the financial angle has been raised on plenty of occasions; and you frequent this thread/board enough to know that. Now I ask again, what is the motivation for me to go collect all these statements for you that are common occurrences? I'm not going to cater to your laziness or just denseness, whatever the case may be.
You throwing out that I have a bias does nothing to supplement your lame arguments, btw. Everyone has biases. And you are biased as well despite your lame claim that you're "indifferent." You have been fairly anti-Jimmer to one degree or another throughout this. So, don't come on and tell me I have a bias and then say you're Peter Perfect. It's like Jesus said, stop finding the mote in other people's eyes while ignoring the mote in your own eye. That sermon's free of charge, son.
And why would I be indifferent if Jimmer doesn't make the team? What the would that supposed to accomplish? I say it upfront, I think it would be a mistake to not keep Jimmer.
Also, I don't think Pincus is wrong for the record; but I don't see the point in speculating about it too much.
White people just clamor to any Americanwhite player wishing for another bird. Morrison and jimmer fit the stereotype. This dudes a scrub at worst and an end of the bench guy at best.
How this thread has gotten up to 35 pages is beyond me. I can't believe I'm giving this advice, but quit waisting your time talking about jimmer and go watch some porn or score some crack. It would be a more productive use of your time imo
No. Ridiculous is claiming something that never happened, then redefining words to be equal that aren't even close to having the same definition because it's the only way it gets you out of the original erroneous claim. The fact you can't understand that, or won't just own up to it, is why I didn't bother to read anything else you wrote in this post other than that first sentence, and why I won't bother to read any more after.
No one was worried.
Good luck to you and your boy though.
See, that post was probably sort of an implosion if not a hissy fit. Some posters have expressed concern (worry) / made the argument against Jimmer to one degree or another based upon a financial p.o.v. Putting semantic protestations aside, do you somehow deny that this is the case, honestly?
I'm gonna ask Spurtacular and lcc to declare a truce tbqh. Life's too short to be arguing over a role player on the Spurs bench. The Spurs got the premier free agent (no, LeBron doesn't count) this offseason and are STAAAAACKED next year. Whether or not Jimmer makes the team in the long run is pretty irrelevant. I think he could be a good piece, but I'm not losing sleep if he gets cut. Just enjoy the summer fellas. It's been a damn good one.
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