Warrior criminals are out of control

[spurraider21]

24 unarmed black people killed by police in 8 months, that doesn't even include Garner, Crawford III, Brown and Rice (2014).

how many unarmed white people have been killed by police in the last 8 months?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Five myths about America’s police



2. YouTube videos and cellphone footage prove that today’s cops are out of control.

Most criminologists believe that today’s police departments are more professional than ever before. Cops tend to get more training, and departments are guided by defined rules and procedures. Most decent-size police agencies have internal affairs departments, and a growing number of cities have installed citizen review boards.

That hardly means there are no problems in policing today, of course, or that these developments suffice to safeguard civil liberties. But it’s likely that the ubiquity of cellphone cameras and the diffusive power of social media are simply making us more aware of rule-breaking cops, rather than showing that there are more of them than before.

But even if there may be fewer rogue cops who abuse their authority and use force outside the bounds of department rules, it’s also true that, as a matter of policy, police use more force today than they have in the past. SWAT tactics, for example, are increasingly used for credit card fraud and other low-level offenses, administrative warrants, or even regulatory enforcement. Use-of-force training today puts less emphasis on conflict resolution and deescalation, if they are addressed at all. The problem isn’t cops breaking the rules — the rules themselves are the problem.

Gotta love when boutons own post directly contradicts his own warrior cops are out of control thread

[spurraider21]

inb4 "LIES" and "GFY"

[DarrinS]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...burb/31366827/

[boutons_deux]

Gotta love when boutons own post directly contradicts his own warrior cops are out of control thread

no contradiction at all, GFY

[TheSanityAnnex]

no contradiction at all, GFY

Your thread: warrior cops are out of control
Your article: warrior cops are not out of control

I suggest at least briefly skimming the articles next time before you spam them so you don't trip on your own again.

[boutons_deux]

Your thread: warrior cops are out of control
Your article: warrior cops are not out of control

I suggest at least briefly skimming the articles next time before you spam them so you don't trip on your own again.

cops have killed 1000 Americans since Ferguson, and very probably harassed, brutalized 10Ks.

[TheSanityAnnex]

cops have killed 1000 Americans since Ferguson, and very probably harassed, brutalized 10Ks.

Your thread: warrior cops are out of control
Your article: warrior cops are not out of control

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[Clipper Nation]

Boutons
Dumb got
Why are liberals so stupid? Oh wait, if they were smart, they wouldn't be liberals.

[spurraider21]

inb4 "LIES" and "GFY"

no contradiction at all, GFY

[cd021]

how many unarmed white people have been killed by police in the last 8 months?

2015 stats
Black-24
White-14
Hispanic-14
Other-8

http://www.washingtonpost.com/graphi...ice-shootings/

According to this site, I found those stats.


Whites outnumber Blacks and Hispanics 53% to 13% and 17%
but made up only 23% of unarmed killings. Blacks made up 40% while Hispanics made up 23%

http://www.vox.com/2015/4/10/8382457...ootings-racism

"An analysis of the available FBI Data Shows that US police kill black people at disproportionate rates: Black people accounted for 31 percent of police shooting victims in 2012, even though they made up just 13 percent of the US population."

[spurraider21]

"An analysis of the available FBI Data Shows that US police kill black people at disproportionate rates: Black people accounted for 31 percent of police shooting victims in 2012, even though they made up just 13 percent of the US population."

blacks are also roughly 2.7x more likely to be in poverty... and its in poverty stricken areas where crime/violence is likely

i dont imagine you're having a lot of unarmed blacks getting shot up in bel aire

[boutons_deux]

blacks are also roughly 2.7x more likely to be in poverty... and its in poverty stricken areas where crime/violence is likely

i dont imagine you're having a lot of unarmed blacks getting shot up in bel aire

violent crime has been dropping to historic lows for 25 years, but poverty and near-poverty are very high.

[spurraider21]

violent crime has been dropping to historic lows for 25 years, but poverty and near-poverty are very high.

is violent crime more or less likely in poverty stricken areas?

[boutons_deux]

is violent crime more or less likely in poverty stricken areas?

regions with high gun ownership (thanks NRA!), eg red rural states, have most gun violence.

there's been a lot studies about crime and poverty. google "crime in poverty areas"

[spurraider21]

regions with high gun ownership (thanks NRA!), eg red rural states, have most gun violence.

there's been a lot studies about crime and poverty. google "crime in poverty areas"

i didnt ask about gun violence.

why cant you just answer simple questions booboo

[cd021]

blacks are also roughly 2.7x more likely to be in poverty... and its in poverty stricken areas where crime/violence is likely

i dont imagine you're having a lot of unarmed blacks getting shot up in bel aire

Feels like you moving the targets.

I mentioned that 24 unarmed blacks got killed by police in the first eight months of 2015. You countered with what are the number of unarmed whites that have been shot. Its drastically less than blacks or Hispanics in proportion to their percentage of the population. Now you're saying that the unarmed black are being killed because they are more likely to live in bad neighborhoods where crime is more prevalent .

How is that relevant to each of the 38 cases where blacks or Hispanics were unarmed and killed?

[spurraider21]

Feels like you moving the targets.

I mentioned that 24 unarmed blacks got killed by police in the first eight months of 2015. You countered with what are the number of unarmed whites that have been shot. Its drastically less than blacks or Hispanics in proportion to their percentage of the population. Now you're saying that the unarmed black are being killed because they are more likely to live in bad neighborhoods where crime is more prevalent .

How is that relevant to each of the 38 cases where blacks or Hispanics were unarmed and killed?

guilty. i still contend that the poverty numbers match up well with overall police deaths, yet the unarmed deaths are way disproportional. the sample size is also considerably smaller

[TheSanityAnnex]

"An analysis of the available FBI Data Shows that US police kill black people at disproportionate rates: Black people accounted for 31 percent of police shooting victims in 2012, even though they made up just 13 percent of the US population."

"It’s true that around 13 per cent of Americans are black, according to the latest estimates from the US Census Bureau.
And yes, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, black offenders committed 52 per cent of homicides recorded in the data between 1980 and 2008. Only 45 per cent of the offenders were white. Homicide is a broader category than “murder” but let’s not split hairs.

Blacks were disproportionately likely to commit homicide and to be the victims. In 2008 the offending rate for blacks was seven times higher than for whites and the victimisation rate was six times higher."

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

[cd021]

"It’s true that around 13 per cent of Americans are black, according to the latest estimates from the US Census Bureau.
And yes, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, black offenders committed 52 per cent of homicides recorded in the data between 1980 and 2008. Only 45 per cent of the offenders were white. Homicide is a broader category than “murder” but let’s not split hairs.

Blacks were disproportionately likely to commit homicide and to be the victims. In 2008 the offending rate for blacks was seven times higher than for whites and the victimisation rate was six times higher."

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

Maybe i'm missing your point but just because blacks commit more murders does that justify unarmed black being murdered? Many of theses cases the cops acted inappropriately .

Whether its shooting someone in the back (Crawford III and Scott) choking someone to death (Garner) shooting someone in the head (Duboise) or the case in Tulsa where a 73y/o cop (who payed to be a reserve officer) shot an unarmed man who was surrounded. He then mocked him as he lay dying. There was a case last month were a cop in Alabama choked a man to death. Several witnesses said the cop said " get that ni**er!" the man was also unarmed.

only the Cincinnati and Tulsa OK. cases resulted in charges

[cd021]

guilty. i still contend that the poverty numbers match up well with overall police deaths, yet the unarmed deaths are way disproportional. the sample size is also considerably smaller

Cops can't shoot unarmed men. Really getting the feeling you couldn't care less about that.

[spurraider21]

Cops can't shoot unarmed men. Really getting the feeling you couldn't care less about that.

not really. i tend to think the racial aspects of the stories are overblown

[TheSanityAnnex]

Maybe i'm missing your point but just because blacks commit more murders does that justify unarmed black being murdered? Many of theses cases the cops acted inappropriately .

It doesn't justify anyone being murdered of any color., but it does shed light on why cops (regardless of race) may be more likely to shoot at an unarmed black guy.

[cd021]

It doesn't justify anyone being murdered of any color., but it does shed light on why cops (regardless of race) may be more likely to shoot at an unarmed black guy.

As far as i can recall the vast majority of unarmed black men have been killed by a Caucasian officer. To be fair Caucasians make up an large percentage of police forces but racial profiling is major issue in policing that probably plays into most of these murders of unarmed blacks and hispanics. The Director of the FBI admitted as much calling racial profiling "lazy policing". Those two races make a good portion of the prison population but that certainly doesn't mean that every one is up to no good and should be treated as a suspect every time they interact.

[cd021]

not really. i tend to think the racial aspects of the stories are overblown

If anything police brutality against minorities have long since been ignored by national media. Black Lives Matter came to prominence on social media (especially twitter) That helped propel a lot of theses stories into the national spotlight. The Sandra Bland story probably wouldn't have exploded if not for twitter. the Sean Bell story comes to mind. Had it happened today it would probably have gotten much more coverage (5 cops shot three unarmed black men outside of a bachelor party over 50 times. Bell was murdered the day before his wedding)

On the other end stories about missing black and Hispanic children get ignored while Natalie Holloway and Elizabeth Smart dominated news coverage. Mass shooters (generally Caucasian) are labeled as mentally ill instead of domestic terrorists.