Bulls: Michael Jordan: "I Love Kobe Like A Brother."

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Jordan has his highest average (scoring wise) verses the Lakers. He absolutely torches us - and B Scott in particular. Yet Showtime used to roll his ass on the regular. Then for good measure, they beat the team (Celtics) that used to whoop his ass in the Finals twice. So I don't buy that Ehlo defending Jordan theory. MJ was probably the best individual player in the game since he was drafted in 1984, but he didn't win until Bird's back blew out, NBA expansion, and when Kareem retired (which signaled the end of Showtime). You don't have to stop Jordan to beat the Bulls, like Showtime demonstrated. The Bulls also had Phil vs Wilkens which represented the difference your Spurs enjoy with Pop patrolling your sidelines.

Jordan averaged 28.6ppg vs. Scott, that is below his career average, not to mention that Scott played Jordan early in his career when Jordan scored more. So you are basically full of dung on that one.

When Jordan played the Celtics, his team was pretty bad, Pippen wasn't developed, they had Orlando Woolridge (defensive sieve if there ever was one) as the second best player on the team. Besides, there was no way the Cavs would have beaten those Celtic teams anyways, so they wouldn't be even getting to the Finals to face the Lakers, let alone winning any championships. But once the Bulls were fully formed, which was around 89 to 93, Jordan Bulls were there to torch them. The Cavs just didn't really have the talent of defense to go along with it.

I never said Jordan can singled handedly win the Bulls championships, because nobody could. I don't realistically expect any player in the history of the league to overcome Bird/McHale/Parish/Johnson/Walton when your best teammate was Orlando Woolridge and Charles Oakley.

Besides, Daughtery really missed one playoffs in his career, in 94, where the Cavs were swept by the Bulls in the first round. Do you seriously think a healthy Daughtery would have turn a sweep into even a 3-2 win?

In 89-90, which was the year he missed the most games, he missed them at the beginning of the season, and he did well in the playoffs.

Finally, Wilkens was a fine coach, he just never really had the talent. And it's hilarious how in one single paragraph you can totally ignore the quality of teammates, then cite a coach as some sort of Godlike figure that can overcome the lack of talent.

Brad was soft, like Duncan is now. That's why he didn't rang in the '80s. I'd love to have seen Duncan go against the likes of Ewing, Oakley, Tree Rollins, The Worm, Mailman, Laimbeer, Mahorn, Anthony Mason, Barkley, X McDaniels, and a plethora of tough physical bigs. They would've punked Duncan just like they did Brad. , Duncan got punked in the 2004 Olympics playing against some foreigners. You think he would be able to hang in the '80s? I don't. Like I said, he'd be Brad Daughtery had he played in that era. That’s no slight. Brad made a few all star teams in an era with elite bigs. He was just soft.

Duncan went through the Wallace brothers, the Knicks, the Nets, Shaq, the Mailman and all, and he's not tough? He won the FMVP on two sprained ankles, equaling the production of the Wallace brothers by himself and he is not tough? He made Kobe and Fisher cry in public, and he's not tough? He has been the anchor of one of the best defense in the league history for over a decade and he is not tough? Yeah, Duncan is so soft, he won 2MVPs, 3 FMVP, ROY, 10 All-NBA 1st teams, 8 All NBA 1st D teams, and led the league in rebounds once. Which other soft player ever led the league in rebounds? You know how tough it is to get rebounds in the league, right?

Saying Duncan isn't tough is like saying you are not re ed. I mean, Jordan thought Duncan would excel in any era, so I am going to go with Jordan instead of you, especially when your strongest argument was "I don't".

As for 04, 9 of the 12 elected players decided not to play, and they went against the best shooting guard of his era, Manu Ginobili.

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but isnt gerald wilkins a jordan stopper? roflmao

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Tim's soft

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So much ignorance in this thread.

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So much ignorance in this thread.

Actually the arguements against Tammy are spot on..... homers like Amb and Dmc and nucking futs