19 guy porks 17 girl. Judge Ahole rings him up.

[mrsmaalox]

This argument doesn't make any sense. Her brain was being ruled by her vagina just like his was by his , one. Two, he attempted to ascertain relevant information about her. It's not his fault she lied.

He broke the law, indisputably. But to not assign her fair share of the blame is ridiculous. She's not an innocent little angel when she's premeditating using a fake ID to get ed.

Clearly the OP has made this thread difficult to follow, but I took his ID checking comment as referring to a different case (the part that says "judge in another state") But without working links it's hard to tell:

Judge in another state ruled against a guy who did card the chick. She had fake i.d.
WTH was he supposed to do?

I don't think the girl was innocent at all, I never said that. I just think the ADULT in the situation was held accountable for his actions as the law says he should be.

[z0sa]

she's not innocent but a 13 year old deserves more protection than a 19 year old. We don't have the capability to screen every single person to come up with an exact maturity level reading. So a 13 year is always going to get the benefit of the doubt.

Mul roll/Fabbs didn't mention any age to that scenario. I think any underage girl deserves protection and the benefit of the doubt. But at the same time, a 17 year old girl with a fake ID who lies repeatedly about her age deserves a lot of the blame, even if its not in a legal sense.

As for a 13 year old, she shouldn't find herself anywhere near a strange adult man by herself without some kind of supervision. Ethically, there's a considerable amount of blame to be distributed to the parents on that one. Any 18+ year old dude who s a 13 year is a sick twisted though.

[z0sa]

True, MrsMaalox. I was commenting on the scenario he has no proof of, not anything concrete.

[SpursforSix]

Mul roll/Fabbs didn't mention any age to that scenario. I think any underage girl deserves protection and the benefit of the doubt. But at the same time, let's not be coy about say, a 17 year old girl with a fake ID who lies repeatedly about her age.

As for a 13 year old, she shouldn't find herself anywhere near an adult man by herself without some kind of supervision. Ethically, there's a considerable amount of blame to be distributed to the parents on that one. Any 18+ year old dude who s a 13 year is a sick twisted though.

Yep. Which is why I think the kids deserve over protection. With the that passes for parents these days, many children have an uphill battle in transitioning to young responsible teens and then adults. I think that's the problem at the root of hundreds of others.

Yeah...I hear you on 17 year olds lying and using fake ID's. At some point, there is some blame to share.

[apalisoc_9]

Damn most 19-22 years old today still are as mature as 16-18 year olds.

If I was 19 and some 14 year old said she was 18, I probably would have believed her tbh

I feel bad for the kid..But this isn't uncommon. HS girl lie about their age all the time in parties...

I'd say intercourse happens between 18-22 year old boys and 17-14 girsls lying about their age happens all the time.

[MultiTroll]

This argument doesn't make any sense. Her brain was being ruled by her vagina just like his was by his , one. Two, he attempted to ascertain relevant information about her. It's not his fault she lied.

He broke the law, indisputably. But to not assign her fair share of the blame is ridiculous. She's not an innocent little angel when she's premeditating using a fake ID to get ed.

[apalisoc_9]

Actually, it's common practice for HS girls to lie about their age.

Some Girls say they go to university, they would usually name the other university in the city..

In this country, if they say they're 17 or a college freshman you might want to do some digging before doing anything else..But why would a horny 19 year old even do that.

[MultiTroll]

Damn most 19-22 years old today still are as mature as 16-18 year olds.

If I was 19 and some 14 year old said she was 18, I probably would have believed her tbh

I feel bad for the kid..But this isn't uncommon. HS girl lie about their age all the time in parties...

I'd say intercourse happens between 18-22 year old boys and 17-14 girsls lying about their age happens all the time.

Exactly.
What, jail them all?

[SpursforSix]

Pretty telling that several of you are already condemning the girl and saying her vagina is ruling her decisions when you don't have enough information to know if she's even had her first period. A 13 year old girl searching the internet for sex and you assume she's really a mature 13 year old that knows what she's doing. As opposed to a 13 year old who had a really ed up upbringing and doesn't know what she's getting in to.

It's almost like you guys have hooked up with 13 year olds and are trying to justify it.

[apalisoc_9]

It was probably just another teen girl that wanted to show her friends she was dating a college guy.

i doubt it had anything to do with her being horny. She probably just felt like Sex was necessary for her to get this boy.

[MultiTroll]

Actually, it's common practice for HS girls to lie about their age.

Some Girls say they go to university, they would usually name the other university in the city..

One of the national Quick Marts (i think it was 7-11) in their We Card Everyone 30 and Under campaign did a dress up of the same girl.
Making her look anywheres from 13 to 28 with use of makeup, clothes, plus how they had her act.
Same girl in every shot. I think the model they used was 17 or 18.

Point being, back to the OP if she repped herself as 17 and looked 17, should 19 year old guy really be thrown in jail for hooking up with her after they found each other on a hookup site?

Please.

The 19 year old guy did f up in the sense that in his state, Indiana, when the chick lies like she did it does matter in court. Indiana courts have a clue on this subject. Michigans, where the porking took place does not.

Still have not found out how all this made it's way to the po po / cruel prosecter.

[MultiTroll]

Pretty telling that several of you are already condemning the girl and saying her vagina is ruling her decisions when you don't have enough information to know if she's even had her first period. A 13 year old girl searching the internet for sex and you assume she's really a mature 13 year old that knows what she's doing. As opposed to a 13 year old who had a really ed up upbringing and doesn't know what she's getting in to.

It's almost like you guys have hooked up with 13 year olds and are trying to justify it.

Strawman.
Ya, that was one of the Troll Traits right?

You are the one and only one to bring up age 13.
Pretty telling.

[apalisoc_9]

Pretty telling that several of you are already condemning the girl and saying her vagina is ruling her decisions when you don't have enough information to know if she's even had her first period. A 13 year old girl searching the internet for sex and you assume she's really a mature 13 year old that knows what she's doing. As opposed to a 13 year old who had a really ed up upbringing and doesn't know what she's getting in to.

It's almost like you guys have hooked up with 13 year olds and are trying to justify it.

I doubt it had anything to do with her vagina at 13. Just another teen wanting to date older boys...

happens all the time. Again, many of them give up their bodies fast in fear that the guy might not think she's "mature" enough..

S bags and 18-20 year olds use this trick all the time with HS girls that like them....

maybe Maalox xan confirm how HS girls think, but I am 100% sure this is the case today.

[SpursforSix]

Strawman.
Ya, that was one of the Troll Traits right?

You are the one and only one to bring up age 13.
Pretty telling.

Hey dip ...you posted the article about the 13 year old. In fact, you posted it to slam a judge that dared to convict a 19 year old that had sex with the 13 year old.

[MultiTroll]

Hey dip ...you posted the article about the 13 year old. In fact, you posted it to slam a judge that dared to convict a 19 year old that had sex with the 13 year old.

Blatantly false.
Quote me or STFU.

[mrsmaalox]

Pretty telling that several of you are already condemning the girl and saying her vagina is ruling her decisions when you don't have enough information to know if she's even had her first period. A 13 year old girl searching the internet for sex and you assume she's really a mature 13 year old that knows what she's doing. As opposed to a 13 year old who had a really ed up upbringing and doesn't know what she's getting in to.

It's almost like you guys have hooked up with 13 year olds and are trying to justify it.

Really I think it's just a reflection of the immaturity that is rampant on this board and most others. There's an age when men stop thinking with their s and eventually it'll happen to most of them here. They are just commenting on girls sexuality as they see it from the outside through their horny eyes. None of them have actually raised a kid and experienced/witnessed first hand the stages of developing emotional and sexual maturity. I'd love to check in with them all in 20 years to ask them at what age they proclaimed their own daughters " able"

[apalisoc_9]

One of the national Quick Marts (i think it was 7-11) in their We Card Everyone 30 and Under campaign did a dress up of the same girl.
Making her look anywheres from 13 to 28 with use of makeup, clothes, plus how they had her act.
Same girl in every shot. I think the model they used was 17 or 18.

Point being, back to the OP if she repped herself as 17 and looked 17, should 19 year old guy really be thrown in jail for hooking up with her after they found each other on a hookup site?

Please.

The 19 year old guy did f up in the sense that in his state, Indiana, when the chick lies like she did it does matter in court. Indiana courts have a clue on this subject. Michigans, where the porking took place does not.

Still have not found out how all this made it's way to the po po / cruel prosecter.

I really don't have an opinion on this matter. I feel bad for the kid because I know first hand HS girls lie about their age..Go to a party and I am 100% sure many of them are underage girls posting as 18 year old seniors or freshmen.

If these two had met IRL, on a party or something..I do feel like he has the responsibility. He should be able to have a good feel if she's lying or not..

but this was an online meetup...hard to get a good feel, IMO.

[SpursforSix]

Blatantly false.
Quote me or STFU.

Oh yeah i worded it that way on purpose. The chick represented herself as 17.

As to the kuuunt judge, hardly the 1st time he has pulled chit like this.

The Cruel, Petty Sentencing Practices of Judge Dennis Wiley

http://reason.com/blog/2015/07/24/th...g-practices-of

During Anderson’s sentencing hearing, Wiley told him: “You went online…trolling for women to meet and have sex with. That seems to be part of our culture now: meet, hook up, have sex, sayonara. Totally inappropriate behavior. There is no excuse for this, whatsoever.”
The Anderson case was not Wiley’s first foray into scolding online daters. Wiley recently put another Indiana 19-year-old, Darian Yoder, on the sex offender registry for having consensual sex with a 13-year-old who also claimed to be of age. They met via the same “Hot or Not” app that Anderson used.
Yes, these teenagers went online to meet women. People do that in 2015. Wiley chose to make an example out of Anderson and Yoder because of his own moral qualms with modernity.
Unfortunately, these are just the most recent examples in a long line of cases where Wiley exercised his discretion in a manner that was especially harsh toward low-level offenders.
In April 2014, Wiley was censured for misconduct after he had LaRue Ford charged with contempt. Ford spent 10 nights in jail—including Christmas—after not paying $5,000 in bond. Her crime? Muttering “ this ” while in the courthouse dealing with a traffic ticket. The courthouse staff that overheard Ford mentioned it to Wiley, who then took matters into his own hands.

Curtis Pedzinski, a 21-year-old native of St. Joseph, Michiga, was sentenced by Wiley to between 14 months and 2 years in prison for “unlawful use of a motor vehicle,” or joyriding. Years earlier, Pedzinski had been convicted of breaking and entering. Wiley’s sentence was significantly more severe than what state guidelines called; Wiley justified it by claiming that proper weight had not been given to Pedzinski’s past.

more on the link.

[apalisoc_9]

Really I think it's just a reflection of the immaturity that is rampant on this board and most others. There's an age when men stop thinking with their s and eventually it'll happen to most of them here. They are just commenting on girls sexuality as they see it from the outside through their horny eyes. None of them have actually raised a kid and experienced/witnessed first hand the stages of developing emotional and sexual maturity. I'd love to check in with them all in 20 years to ask them at what age they proclaimed their own daughters " able"

he's not 19 though.

[MultiTroll]

Blatantly false.
Quote me or STFU.

Ah you are right.
Within that article i agree, the 19 - 13 is out of bounds.

[SpursforSix]

Really I think it's just a reflection of the immaturity that is rampant on this board and most others. There's an age when men stop thinking with their s and eventually it'll happen to most of them here. They are just commenting on girls sexuality as they see it from the outside through their horny eyes. None of them have actually raised a kid and experienced/witnessed first hand the stages of developing emotional and sexual maturity. I'd love to check in with them all in 20 years to ask them at what age they proclaimed their own daughters " able"

Hey...if we go out, will you dress like a 17 year old but show me an ID that says you're 14? I'll dress like a woman and hang my weenie out of my fly.

[apalisoc_9]

And how do people know if the guy was thinking with his ?

maybe he was a legit lonely guy thinking he finally got himself a girlfriend he can love, be intimate with and so on.

Sex is just part of the relationship. Maybe that was his mentality.

[mrsmaalox]

he's not 19 though.

That's why I said "most"

[SpursforSix]

And how do people know if the guy was thinking with his ?

he's a 19 year old guy.

[MultiTroll]

I really don't have an opinion on this matter. I feel bad for the kid because I know first hand HS girls lie about their age..Go to a party and I am 100% sure many of them are underage girls posting as 18 year old seniors or freshmen.

If these two had met IRL, on a party or something..I do feel like he has the responsibility. He should be able to have a good feel if she's lying or not..

but this was an online meetup...hard to get a good feel, IMO.

My own opinion is i think it best if relations are kept between two married adults.

That being said, whole point of OP is that punishment wayy does not fit the crime.
IMO he committed no crime.
And unlike feminist Mallox, why should he be charged but her not?
Why not just let them both off, why even involve the prosecutor leading to that moronic judge.

We still have yet to learn how all this came to be known by po po / prosecuter.