Looked up his shuttle time before the draft (because it is the summer and I'm board) and he had the 3rd fastest time. That means he should be able to move laterally quickly so maybe, he just doesn't give a flying hoot about the D.
Mills is better than Fredette, I agree. I do think they are similar though. And Jimmer isn't slow per se, he just doesn't have elite speed like Mills and while he seems taller than Mills, he's not tall enough to get his shot up with ease or to allow him to cover space on defense. But shooting-wise, if he is open, he can be a weapon and teams will only double off him to their peril. The question is whether there is a line up that can help him on defense such that he can get consistent minutes. I'm not sure there is, but given how much rest Pop will give his backcourt this season, I think we'll see Jimmer more than you think. Plus Pop likes players like Jimmer, humble and hard working. He'll give Jimmer a legit shot.
Looked up his shuttle time before the draft (because it is the summer and I'm board) and he had the 3rd fastest time. That means he should be able to move laterally quickly so maybe, he just doesn't give a flying hoot about the D.
Your link defies my theory. But it doesn't hurt my case / help your case.
Look at the general positivity for picking up a scrub who shot 41 FG and who had virtually the same defensive rating as Jimmer despite playing on a 3rd and 7th ranked defense. Meanwhile, Jimmer had played on a team that finished dead last in defense both years. It shows that it's trendy to hate Jimmer. It was never en vogue to hate on Patty.
You're sorely mistaken if you think Jimmer can't be a rotation player. Mills didn't have anything that screamed rotation player more than Jimmer, then.
Just to nitpick...Mills doesn't have elite speed. I do like his motor and quickness and urgency though. Guy brings a lot of intangibles as well. Jimmer could learn from that.
At one point after the signing, Jimmer said he had not spoken yet to Pop. That's not so unusual for a later signing. My assumption would be that Pop did sign off on the signing though.
See, I disagree. Patty Mills is very quick. That's why he is a more deadly shooter than Jimmer...he can get his shot off more easily. If Patty was slow, he'd be on the fringe like Jimmer. Patty is as good a shooter as Jimmer.
Speed and quickness are not the same thing.
I don't think Patty can get his shot off more easily than Jimmer, tbh. Patty has been the beneficiary of playing in (much) better systems. That's the biggest key difference between them.
Again, I disagree. Patty doesn't rely on ball movement of others to get his shot. He relies more on transition threes where his quickness is a factor. He also can ball pressure bc of his quickness, which was a big reason for him getting into the rotation. Jimmer doesn't have the foot speed to pressure most point guards in the backcourt. I would also note that Patty often uses his quickness to get mid range shots in the half court. If Jimmer had Patty's speed, he'd still be a King and he'd be in the rotation.
The fact that you assume Jimmer merely relies on ball movement shows me that you're not very familiar with his game. Jimmer was in the 94th percentile on pick n' roll. He can also break down his man on the dribble. Jimmer is also great at transition threes; maybe the best in the league, tbh. Jimmer's defense is greatly improved and on par or just over par with Mills in the half court. (Mills is a better full court presser). Jimmer shot 45.8 percent from 2's last season in a season in which he was abysmal from threes. He also uses quickness to get mid range shots and had the tear drop working at a Tony Parker level last season and often from a bit further out as well.
If we're talking pure speed, maybe Patty's a bit faster. But I don't think it's the big element of the game you're making it out to be. If we're talking quickness on moves, they're about the same. And Mills wasn't a rotation player when he came to SA either.
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Look, I hope Jimmer makes it in the NBA. If Jimmer was as good as you say, he wouldn't be a fringe NBA player. I'm guessing Jimmer is buried on the bench behind Patty, who Pop sees as doing everything Jimmer does, but a little better.
I am going to pitch in for this thread's length TBH.
My take: Humble and simple I don't know how Jimmer will do and I am not against him or for him. I simply haven't watched him enough to have an opinion. ?The guy does generate a lot of negative attention due to the fact that he was a lottery pick who did not perform as expected. The spurs have found several contributors who were taken in the second round by other teams like Green and Patty and even undrafted guys. These guys were not hyped at all, therefore what they provided was sort of a pleasant surprise and they only got better with time and experience. Jimmer already comes with some experience and history of not living up to his hype coming from college. I am starting to see a little of Doug McDermott in his story, if McDermott continues underperforming in the NBA, but that remains to be seen and is a subject for another thread.
I do hope he plays well for the spurs. If he is every bit what Spurtacular makes him out to be he will be fun to watch during the season. Personally I am excited to see all the new guys play. Deep down I feel we have sound depth, youth and versatility.
I don't doubt your optimism. I'm just saying that where you play makes a difference. Kawhi would have likely not have blossomed the way he did in most systems.
Always does. Players get to college based on HS team record. Player gets drafted based on college team record factored in.... player gets nba awards based on team record..... it's luck and skill
LOL. What a ing idiot. Mills is ing fast, one of the fastest players in the NBA - he just has piss poor handles and can't use his speed with the ball. If he was a better ball handler he'd be able to take his game up another level.
Spazzing and calling people names out of the blue while being blatantly wrong
Mills does not have elite speed. Anyone that believes that is either a total homer or so desperate to make the argument or both.
Last edited by Spurtacular; 08-12-2015 at 11:37 PM.
Mills is one of the fastest players in the League baseline to baseline and his release is lightening (much faster then jimmers)
2014 was the first time he has ever had regular consistent minutes in his career and he put up a PER of nearly 20 and was a big reason for the le run.
If not for the shoulder injury he was poised for a breakout last season. I still believe that once he has a little more seasoning in p&r sets and continues to develop his finishing in the paint that he can be a top 15 pg in this league.
Yes he does have elite speed...Have a look at his MPH since they have recorded this stat he has always been at the top.
His speed coming out of college rivaled a 19 yr old Tony Parker and was who he was told to base his game on.
Yea, that's why we're always seeing Mills shoot out on lightning fast breaks....Oh, wait.
The rest of your stuff...I'm not arguing against Patty's play. I'm simply saying people are fooling themselves if they suddenly think that Patty has elite speed. That's not even close to true.
The 2008 Olympics is what put Patty on the radar as a prospect. As you can see in the attached video a 19 year old Mills is by far the fastest player on the court . His speed was very comparable to a young Tony Parker and has been in the elite level since he entered the NBA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5zfDNT4A8Y
Furthermore not only does Mills clock up more distance per 48 on court than any other player in NBA, in 2014 his speed of 4.8 MPH while on court was far and away the fastest in the NBA.
Just give it up already....your only making yourself look like a dumbass trying to argue that Mills is not a fast player
Last edited by ceds; 08-13-2015 at 02:26 AM.
Again, I don't think you get the significance of the speed of 19-year-old Tony Parker. , at this point I wouldn't be comfortable calling Mills faster that Porker (Though he probably is by a bit). Elite speed is Westbrook. It's Rondo pre-acl injury. Those plays on that video are about quickness; not pure speed.
Mills covering distance on the court does not make him fast, dude. He has a directive first off to go high speed for short minutes. But in any event that still speaks to stamina. Michael Bradley consistently covers more ground for the USMNT and he is one of their slower players. And for that matter, Bradley led the entire 2014 World Cup field in that metric.
lol you are a clown!
Sorry but Mills is faster then both Westbrook and Rondo
I very much understand the speed of a 19yr old Parker . The reason i liked Mills as a prospect was because he shared the same physical attributes. TJ ford might be the only other prospect ive seen since with that kind of end to end speed with the ball.
when healthy and in shape is in the top 5% baseline to baseline since he entered the NBA. Why are you ignoring the MPH stat that Mills routinely leads?
Last edited by ceds; 08-13-2015 at 04:14 AM.
Wow! You're actually now saying Mills is faster than Westbrook!
Post a link on whatever MPH you're talking about. I'm sure you've twisted it up somehow.
And you don't understand 19-year-old Parker. The dude was a flash on the court. Mills is a trickle of water by comparison.
http://thesportsquotient.com/nba/201...man-in-the-nbaPost a link on whatever MPH you're talking about. I'm sure you've twisted it up somehow..
NBA Draft Combine 3/4 Sprint - Mills is top 10 all time with a speed of 3.10 seconds
Average Speed (MPH) - Mills led the league 4.8
Distance covered per 48 - Mills led the league with 3.8
The stats don't lie and whether or not he's faster than westbrook (he's not ) is irrelevant ...your trying to tell us that Mills is not a fast player remember?
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