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if parker plays north of 30 it shows how much ego he has tbh.
It's going to be
Kawhi 32
LMA 31
Timmy 26-28
Manu 22-24
Tony 27-29
Patty 20-22
West 20-22
Danny 30
Diaw 25
Others are a huge question mark
In the long hot summer I've been dreaming on how the minutes and rotations are gonna play out. Obviously there are many variables... rest days, experimentation, and who ends up on the team.For now I'm going with sure things and letting Bonner and Boban split a few and KA and Simmons split a few.
Minutes
Post- LMA- 31 Tim- 25 West-17 Diaw- 17 Boban/Bonner-6
Wings- Kawhi- 34 Green- 29 Manu- 19 Mills- 6 KA/Simmons- 8
Point- TP- 31 Mills- 11 Ray- 6
Rotations
Tim LMA Kawhi Green TP- 17 mpg
West LMA Kawhi Green TP- 9 mpg
West Diaw KA/Simmons Manu Mills- 8 mpg
Boban/Bonner Diaw Manu Mills Ray- 6 mpg
Tim LMA Kawhi Manu TP- 5 mpg
Tim Diaw Kawhi Green Mills- 3 mpg
Don't have Diaw with LMA, but think he and West are going to be fairly interchangeable.
if parker plays north of 30 it shows how much ego he has tbh.
It's going to be
Kawhi 32
LMA 31
Timmy 26-28
Manu 22-24
Tony 27-29
Patty 20-22
West 20-22
Danny 30
Diaw 25
Others are a huge question mark
Like that really....Manu might be a bit high..
Spurs are an older team. Their rotations will look significantly different at various times.
Honestly, the manu, tony, td are all question marks.
but 24 is imo realistic this year considering the easier scheduling.
Do you think Diaw will play 8 or so minutes at the 3? Only so many post minutes....I was just making a wild guess on Boban and Bonner getting many minutes. Probably mostly on rest days for TD.
Yep....gonna fun to watch. Glad The Manu and Tim are back for another season!
Doaw won't play the three at all. Like zero minutes..maybe 1 or 2 minutes at most close to garbage time
Green, Manu, Anderson, Simmons are Kawh's backup
It will all shake out differently by season's end, as guys like Bonner/Boban will be getting minutes when TD and West(?) sits, plus garbage time situations. Same for Ray with Parker, Simmons with Manu, etc.
Most of the time it'll be something like:
Parker - 28.5
Green - 28.5
Kawhi - 30
Aldridge - 31
Duncan - 26.5
Mills - 18
Ray - 5 (+garbage time)
Manu - 20
Anderson - 8 (+garbage time)
Simmons - 6 (+garbage time)
Bonner - 8
Diaw - 20
West - 20
Boban - no idea if he'll be healthy or if he'll be good enough to really make the rotation
Again, it'll all shake out in the end, but our frontcourt in close, important games will be Kawhi/Aldridge/Duncan 30+ mins, Diaw and West around 23-25. Bonner and Boban are afterthoughts. If Kawhi has to come out Danny/Manu go to SF as Pop won't trust Kyle or Simmons (outside of short rest situations).
Beal and Ariza should log at least 29 minutes apiece
As long as Kyle doesn't play.
Would Like Tony To play 5 minutes but thats wishful Thinking.
My Projected Season Averages
LMA - 33
Kawhi - 32
Parker - 28
Green - 27
Duncan - 26
West - 23
Ginobili - 20
Diaw - 19
Mills -17
Jimmer - 14
Anderson -12
Simmons - 9
McCallum - 7
Bonner - 5
Boban - 4
Barring injury that is realistic. the guys at the end of the rotation will reshuffle depending on match ups and who is healthy. I think Anderson plays more than Jimmer though. I know you are a Jimmer fan but my favorite is Anderson. Beyond that, he has been in the system a year already and really led a Summer League team to a championship game. He is versatile in that you can legitimately sub him at several spots. I really, really wished Bonner = 0, but it is what it is.. I'd probably rather see Boban than Bonner TBH. Who are we kidding, Bonner is not spacing the court any. At least Boban you have to follow and stay attached to.
Yeah I just don't know about Jimmer, we could sure use another 3 pt shooter. It would be spectacular if Boban can play NBA ball. All the footage I've seen he looks like a threat. He's a #%ing giant...that's for sure.
Yea, people have different ideas about what's going to happen minutes-wise once you get past the Spurs core nine (Starters plus Manu, Diaw, West, Mills). Some think Anderson will have a breakout year as a wing. Others think Simmons will be a defensive juggernaut. Some think McCallum is a firm third stringer who will start when Parker is out. Others believe Bonner's story about his phone giving him a sore elbow and think he'll regain his 40 plus 3FG form. And others think Boban will be a high efficiency guy on offense. Others think Jimmer is a bust who will either not make the team or be in a suit most of the time. There's merit to all these predictions.
For me, I think Jimmer will be a spark. People don't understand that he has shown that he can be instant offense at the NBA level. They think he's just merely a spot-up shooter. But he can bring it at a Mills level or higher on offense. The real question marks of course is his defense and whether he'll be high enough in the rotation to consistently matter. There's no doubt that his minutes will hinge upon how well Anderson, Simmons, McCallum and even Bonner are doing (among other factors).
Boban is a guy that I see struggling to find himself in the Spurs system at both ends of the court. Had he signed with a scrub team, they might've given him 15-20 minutes and told him to clog the lane and maybe be a guy who they can work the offense through on the post. I think the Spurs are going to ask him to do some thing he's not used to doing and in limited quan ies; and he'll likely struggle for it.
As for Anderson, I don't see him having a breakout year. But there's gonna be some natural progression.
I haven't seen Boban, but I have seen Bonner, and I think Bonner is done, his elbow story: I am not buying it. There is a reason he is not fully guaranteed and TBH I wasn't even sure the Spurs would have brought him back. Boban is huge. Whoever is guarding him I suspect will not help off from him. I imagine him to be a threat similar to DeAndre. Putback offensive rebounds, and alley oops threat. If he could just do that, for sure he will have more of a pull than Bonner does on his man shooting about 36.5% as a designated spot up shooter. Get out of here with that elbow shizzle Bonner!
Well, Bonner would have retired last season if the Spurs didn't pick him up. The Kings had interest in Bonner, but I think he and PATFO have an 'I'll play as long as you'll have me (and then I'll head to the front office)' understanding in place. So, I wouldn't read too much into the partial guarantee. I think it's there for the sake of flexibility more than an indictment on Bonner.I haven't seen Boban, but I have seen Bonner, and I think Bonner is done, his elbow story: I am not buying it. There is a reason he is not fully guaranteed and TBH I wasn't even sure the Spurs would have brought him back. Boban is huge. Whoever is guarding him I suspect will not help off from him. I imagine him to be a threat similar to DeAndre. Putback offensive rebounds, and alley oops threat. If he could just do that, for sure he will have more of a pull than Bonner does on his man shooting about 36.5% as a designated spot up shooter. Get out of here with that elbow shizzle Bonner!
Boban is huge. But I think they got him for flexibility in match-ups more than because he fits their general system. I think he's gonna have some growing pains and may never fully fit. The flip side is he does have some serious potential and that could be a huge bonus.
I am not as hungover on fit as others are, bc Pop is tweaking the system on a yearly basis to fit the talents of his team. Of course he goes out and gets guys that fit the system (shooters), but guys who are not shooters don't necessarily mean they don't fit the system. Its possible their talents will allow Pop to do things differently and add another dimension to the team, a dimension Bonner doesn't add. I would not mind a few alley oops. Spurs don't go for offensive rebounds bc they prefer to get back in transition, unless you have a bear that can crash the boards. Mind you I don't know if Boban will fit that role, if he has that talent, but if he had that talent, I don't think Pop would be so unflexible as to not allow a big man who is a threat to put back a rebound or alley oop to do that. If you had a Deandre or Tristan Thompson on the team and that is what they do, by all means.
I just think Spurs have simply not had that kind of talent from a big man recently. We all know Timmy's athletic limitations, and neither Tiago or Baynes were alley oop threats or even strong rebounders. You could rather say, they were "adequate", but not dominant in that department. The only guy who had that kind of athleticism was Ayers and he was challenged by even catching a ball, never mind and alley oop or an offensive rebound!!!I think Boban's challenge will be defense, but he has size and length to compensate for a lot, much like Timmy. He just might have a difficult time picking it up and in that you are right, but Gosh I hope to see Boban come garbage time and not Bonner. blah.
How do you see the rotations with Tim, Lma, West, and Diaw working?
As cd021 was saying, it probably makes sense if LMA slips over to the 5 for stretches when West or Diaw join him and Tim sits.
Hopefully we can distribute minutes evenly throughout the season just like the 2013-14 season, (but without the injuries). Letting the bench get all those minutes really helped with that NBA Finals record breaking performance.
Some people I want to see play together:
LMA/TD/Kawhi of course
LMA/Patty because of their ties in Portland
LMA/Diaw because DiawMVP
West/Kawhi/TD/Danny tough defense
Jimmer/Patty in scrub time chunking up 3's if Jimmer makes it
Manu/West/LMA Let Manu drive and make some crazy between the legs pass for a West/LMA Jumper
That's a great question; one that's probably worthy of its own thread, tbh.
West: The media mainly reported that West was looking for a le contender. But a secondary consideration was presumably minutes. My best guess would be that they pitched him as a 20-25 min guy with potential es (E.G. when he's hot or Timmy misses a game). Any less, and he may have been more tempted to have signed with GS. I think it might be more ideal for him to play 16-23 min a game. I don't know how open he'll be to that though.
Diaw: I think he's okay with being the front line Swiss (French) knife and just doing whatever's asked of him on any given night. I think Pop would play him less on some nights if fitness wasn't a concern. He'll probably settle in at 16-28 mins on most nights. The larger es will be when Timmy is a DNP.
LMA: I'm guessing that part of Pop's recruitment was giving LMA a chance to be "the man" for his first couple years. I think that's why he'll play even more minutes than Pop might prefer; just because he wants to sort of hold up his end of the bargain. He'll be the only guy who regularly or semi-regularly surpasses 35 min, imo.
Duncan: To me, this is the wild card. I think Pop has always relied on the big three to kind of set their own minutes. Pop would have ran Duncan and Manu into the ground had they not consented to less minutes. Parker hasn't consented to much less and I think that's why he plays more than ST posters think he should; and they slam Pop for being too loyal. But that's frankly just an occupational hazard at this point.
So, it really comes down to what kind of role is Duncan comfortable with? Duncan can play 28-30 mins per game and be effective. But would he settle for 18-22 mins and be super efficient? But again, I think Pop wants to allow The Big Three to win (or lose) on their own terms.
I put 26-28 mins. But Pop is going to mitigate that with maybe more DNPs or he might sell Timmy on the idea of less minutes.
Fit is a big consideration. Maybe, it's not always the over-riding consideration. In this case, I feel like it wasn't and that Boban was signed because they needed a big who could bang. They desperately needed that cos Timmy's older and LMA is frankly a little soft in that department. Thus, I believe it was quite possibly a secondary consideration how Boban might do in the offensive scheme or his individual talents. Certainly, I hope that he's good enough that some wrinkles can be added specific to his talents/size. But this is not a guarantee. And in the event that it doesn't happen, Boban will be asked to do things that aren't strengths at this point for him.I am not as hungover on fit as others are, bc Pop is tweaking the system on a yearly basis to fit the talents of his team. Of course he goes out and gets guys that fit the system (shooters), but guys who are not shooters don't necessarily mean they don't fit the system. Its possible their talents will allow Pop to do things differently and add another dimension to the team, a dimension Bonner doesn't add. I would not mind a few alley oops. Spurs don't go for offensive rebounds bc they prefer to get back in transition, unless you have a bear that can crash the boards. Mind you I don't know if Boban will fit that role, if he has that talent, but if he had that talent, I don't think Pop would be so unflexible as to not allow a big man who is a threat to put back a rebound or alley oop to do that. If you had a Deandre or Tristan Thompson on the team and that is what they do, by all means.
I just think Spurs have simply not had that kind of talent from a big man recently. We all know Timmy's athletic limitations, and neither Tiago or Baynes were alley oop threats or even strong rebounders. You could rather say, they were "adequate", but not dominant in that department. The only guy who had that kind of athleticism was Ayers and he was challenged by even catching a ball, never mind and alley oop or an offensive rebound!!!
One thing to ask when altering a system to serve a player's core strengths is does it make for a net benefit? The Spurs could have altered their system to get Ayers more alley-oop dunks. But in Pop's estimation, it would seem that would have been done at a detriment to the system. So for Boban, the question might be is it worth it to run any post offense through him? Or should he be more of screener, cutter and passer like Splitter? Boban is a good passer. But cutting and screening don't seem to be strengths at the outset.
But what percent Pop alters a system vs. catering the system to a player's strengths is what makes it hard to predict. For instance, I very much wonder this with Jimmer. Will they ask Jimmer to be a wing shooter and space the floor much like Danny Green does on offense, or will they allow him to create much more like Mills? Will they ins ute the high screen in transition (something they don't do now) to take full advantage of Jimmer's range? Now, Jimmer can succeed in the first scenario. But the Spurs have to ask themselves if the tradeoffs are worth maximizing his skill set. There may be a happy medium in there somewhere.
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