Celtics: Prime Paul Pierce or current James Harden?

[m>s]

Pierce because of clutchness and intangibles

[Buddy Mignon]

lol not even close. Harden's already surpassed Gilbert in every facet of the game

Damn there identical.
Per 36 Minutes

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Rk	Player	From	To	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	2P	2PA	2P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
1	Gilbert Arenas	2002	2012	552	455	19351	6.9	16.5	.421	2.0	5.7	.351	4.9	10.7	.458	5.4	6.7	.803	0.8	3.2	4.0	5.4	1.6	0.2	3.2	3.1	21.2
2	James Harden	2010	2015	452	239	14616	6.5	14.5	.444	2.2	5.9	.370	4.3	8.7	.494	6.8	8.0	.854	0.8	4.0	4.8	4.9	1.6	0.5	3.0	2.8	21.9

[Mikeanaro]

Paul Pierce and Arenas over facial pubes.

[Mitch]

It happens

Not when your team is facing elimination.

[djohn2oo8]

Damn there identical.
Per 36 Minutes

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Rk	Player	From	To	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	2P	2PA	2P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
1	Gilbert Arenas	2002	2012	552	455	19351	6.9	16.5	.421	2.0	5.7	.351	4.9	10.7	.458	5.4	6.7	.803	0.8	3.2	4.0	5.4	1.6	0.2	3.2	3.1	21.2
2	James Harden	2010	2015	452	239	14616	6.5	14.5	.444	2.2	5.9	.370	4.3	8.7	.494	6.8	8.0	.854	0.8	4.0	4.8	4.9	1.6	0.5	3.0	2.8	21.9

You are using per 36 stats why?

Even still, Hardens stats are still better than Arenas stats, with Harden being in the league 5 less years

[HemisfairArena]

Argument is flawed,,,you say current Harden. I would still take Harden but he is only 25 and lets see what this cat does when he hits his prime like you have him going against Pierce's prime,,,,Harden is just starting to scratch the surface of what he can do,,,,

[Buddy Mignon]

You are using per 36 stats why?

Even still, Hardens stats are still better than Arenas stats, with Harden being in the league 5 less years

Oh my bad... I thought that's what you guys debated. I don't give a about stats, tbh. You can't measure heart, will and determination. I pay close attention to players when the game gets serious in the last five minutes and Harden just don't measure up for me. If you notice... Harden's playoff shooting percentage takes a huge dip from his regular season percentage. Not so with Pierce, and Kobe's. I actually think Arenas and Harden is a toss up. Pierce is a 1st ballot HOF'er... Harden is still trying to come into his own.

[djohn2oo8]

Oh my bad... I thought that's what you guys debated. I don't give a about stats, tbh. You can't measure heart, will and determination. I pay close attention to players when the game gets serious in the last five minutes and Harden just don't measure up for me. If you notice... Harden's playoff shooting percentage takes a huge dip from his regular season percentage. Not so with Pierce, and Kobe's. I actually think Arenas and Harden is a toss up. Pierce is a 1st ballot HOF'er... Harden is still trying to come into his own.

You just said you don't give a about stats and then went right to Harden's shooting % . Harden is only 25. Already a better creator than Kobe. And when you say will to win, does it count the times Kobe quit when his teams werent stacked?

[Buddy Mignon]

You just said you don't give a about stats and then went right to Harden's shooting % . Harden is only 25. Already a better creator than Kobe. And when you say will to win, does it count the times Kobe quit when his teams werent stacked?

From this point on I won't even mention Harden and Kobe in the same context. One is known for choking and the other is a legend.

[djohn2oo8]

From this point on I won't even mention Harden and Kobe in the same context. One is known for choking and the other is a legend.

Kobe is a legend for choking, you're right.

[The Franchise]

Harden is already better than Pierce ever was and he isn't even in his prime yet.

[HemisfairArena]

Harden is already better than Pierce ever was and he isn't even in his prime yet.

Agreed,,,,argument in a nuts ,,

[Killakobe81]

I don't know man, people have too much ing nostalgia for old players. Prime Pierce vs Prime Harden is a pretty tough call.

Agreed hate Pierce but both are beasts ...

[Buddy Mignon]

This play is Pierce career in a nuts .




This play is Harden's career in a nuts .

[HemisfairArena]

Pierce has one 50 point game,,,Harden at age 25?,,,,well,,,

After recording a career-high 50 points against the Denver Nuggets on March 19,^[38] Harden topped that mark with 51 points against the Sacramento Kings on April 1, making it his 33rd 30-point game and his ninth 40-point game for the season. He also became the first player in Rockets' franchise history to have two 50-point games in a season

[HemisfairArena]

Once again,,,,come back and talk to me when this kid hits his prime,,,he is already way better than Pierce at the age of 25,,,,,

[Killakobe81]

Pierce has one 50 point game,,,Harden at age 25?,,,,well,,,

After recording a career-high 50 points against the Denver Nuggets on March 19,^[38] Harden topped that mark with 51 points against the Sacramento Kings on April 1, making it his 33rd 30-point game and his ninth 40-point game for the season. He also became the first player in Rockets' franchise history to have two 50-point games in a season

So now scoring binges is the criteria for who is better? Hmm .. Very interesting ...

[100%duncan]

Pierce was a , and was respected defensively. He sometimes guarded the opposing teams best perimeter player. Don't know his defensive stats though. Harden is IMHO, far more skilled offensively even taking away his freethrows. Tough call really.

[Mark Celibate]

Harden is much closer to prime Wade tbh. Even though Pierce has joined a team of assholes known as the Clippers, he is still one of the NBA players I genuinely like and respect. Dude is tough as and he is like a guard/forward version of Duncan in terms of fundamentals. The prime Pierce could score at will without taking 10+ free throws a game, while Harden is more like a glorified Ben Gorden, or a poor man's D-Whistle imho.

[Gent]

No he struggled. Did you see Prime Pierce's teammates? Antoine Walker....................

Put current Harden on that same exact team...and he struggles also.

I don't think that has any relevance. Whether you struggled on a bad team or not is not the point. You are taking each player and measuring each other head to head.

I have to say Harden.

Paul Pierce, while good didn't really made such a big impact by himself on his team. He put up OK numbers but wasn't pushing his team to the playoffs or even close to that.

Harden in the other hand made his mark. As a sixth man with the Thunder he was on par, or better than Manu. Made huge impact on the games. Now as a team first option he got even more productive. Guy puts up 25 to 30 points per.

And this is the West we're talking about. Where points and assists don't come easy.

[djohn2oo8]

So now scoring binges is the criteria for who is better? Hmm .. Very interesting ...

You have 81 in your moniker, killa.

[Spurtacular]

Harden. Prime Pierce struggled in the East until KG and Allen.

Pierce never struggled against the East. The Pierce-Walker monster had the C's 2 games from a finals appearance. The Nets were a nightmare match-up for them though.

[Spurtacular]

Pierce was a , and was respected defensively. He sometimes guarded the opposing teams best perimeter player. Don't know his defensive stats though. Harden is IMHO, far more skilled offensively even taking away his freethrows. Tough call really.

Pierce was a much better defender than Kobe. Yet, Kobe was always being awarded all defensive honors. F'ing Stern.

[Kool Bob Love]

I voted Paul but wish he had stay glued to Artest in 2010. Smh.

[Raven]

I don't think that has any relevance. Whether you struggled on a bad team or not is not the point. You are taking each player and measuring each other head to head.

I have to say Harden.

Paul Pierce, while good didn't really made such a big impact by himself on his team. He put up OK numbers but wasn't pushing his team to the playoffs or even close to that.

Harden in the other hand made his mark. As a sixth man with the Thunder he was on par, or better than Manu. Made huge impact on the games. Now as a team first option he got even more productive. Guy puts up 25 to 30 points per.

And this is the West we're talking about. Where points and assists don't come easy.

wow, that's a re ed take..