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    Will not be the only classless person in a government position

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    Will not be the only classless person in a government position
    .... excellent defense, you win.

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    I love so many of the themes that he is touching on. I love how he is just as sick as I am about America playing "world police". Our military is like the first line of defense for so many countries... many of which are perfectly capable of taking care of themselves. I am in favor of having many allies, but being an ally doesn't mean we fight in lieu of the ally or use our resources in lieu of them. It's just ridiculous at this point.

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    Trump, nor anybody, will ever touch the MIC, aka "world police"

    MIC is corporate welfare, redistribution upwards of taxpayers' $100Bs to the MIC. and the transfer causes national debt, taxpayers pay the interest, too.

    MIC is absolutely untouchable, and is currently looking for more $100Bs, and will wil get them.

    But Repugs refuse to finance VA, help the vets aka "ex world policemen", at the level the WH requests.



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    The MIC is basically ins utionalized within Congress, so of course it's not going away.

    Trump, on the other hand, is not taking donations from defense contractors and he is not running for a seat in Congress. He is running for President.

    The Commander-in-chief has huge influence over how we deploy and station our military. Obama has done a poor job organizing forces in the middle-east to fight ISIS from the start, and has basically made it an American problem first when it shouldn't be. We should be supporting the fight against ISIS, but the countries in that region need to be making a much bigger investment in actually destroying ISIS. He gave them the impression that America's "got this" like we always do and that they don't have to do anything. They're finally realizing that's not the case. Under Trump, they will know this from the start.

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    "The Commander-in-chief has huge influence over how we deploy and station our military."

    The Repugs refuse even to vote to authorize the Exec's "war" on ISIS.

    "Obama has done a poor job organizing forces in the middle-east to fight ISIS from the start"

    so as CiC, what would you do. And why is ISIS the USA's fight, because USA is world's policeman?

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    Trump says he’d deport all 11 million undo ented immigrants as president

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    "keeping the families together" includes deporting American citizens.

    triplng ICE from 5000 to 15000 Gestapo troops will cost how much? Sessions doesn't say.

    who pays for the deportation, transportation of 11M illegals? how much?

    The Wall will cost $100Bs

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    "The Commander-in-chief has huge influence over how we deploy and station our military."

    The Repugs refuse even to vote to authorize the Exec's "war" on ISIS.
    Oh, so he is fighting a war unilaterally? He is even more powerful than I thought.

    Thanks for making my point.

    "Obama has done a poor job organizing forces in the middle-east to fight ISIS from the start"

    so as CiC, what would you do. And why is ISIS the USA's fight, because USA is world's policeman?
    ISIS is only our fight because they have threatened us and because they threaten Iraq (which we're basically forced to protect under the international doctrine of "you break it, you buy it").

    But this is a fight the region should be much more engaged it, not just America. I am not running for CiC, but I don't think what's going on now is the best that could have been done.

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    The MIC is basically ins utionalized within Congress, so of course it's not going away.

    Trump, on the other hand, is not taking donations from defense contractors and he is not running for a seat in Congress. He is running for President.

    The Commander-in-chief has huge influence over how we deploy and station our military. Obama has done a poor job organizing forces in the middle-east to fight ISIS from the start, and has basically made it an American problem first when it shouldn't be. We should be supporting the fight against ISIS, but the countries in that region need to be making a much bigger investment in actually destroying ISIS. He gave them the impression that America's "got this" like we always do and that they don't have to do anything. They're finally realizing that's not the case. Under Trump, they will know this from the start.
    How is ISIS not an American problem?

    America made ISIS exist.

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    "keeping the families together" includes deporting American citizens.

    triplng ICE from 5000 to 15000 Gestapo troops will cost how much? Sessions doesn't say.

    who pays for the deportation, transportation of 11M illegals? how much?

    The Wall will cost $100Bs
    Not that much compared to the costs of illegal immigration, crime, healthcare for illegals, etc. the savings would pay for it while adding jobs.

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    How is ISIS not an American problem?

    America made ISIS exist.
    Read post#558. I said an "american problem first", meaning it shouldn't be primarily America's problem first and foremost. It should be America's problem AND the region's problem... but really they're more threatened than we are due to proximity.

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    Read post#558. I said an "american problem first", meaning it shouldn't be primarily America's problem first and foremost. It should be America's problem AND the region's problem... but really they're more threatened than we are due to proximity.
    We broke it. We own it.

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    We broke it. We own it.
    What does that mean to you?

    Countries in the region are relieved from the responsibility to defend themselves from ISIS?

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    What does that mean to you?

    Countries in the region are relieved from the responsibility to defend themselves from ISIS?
    ISIS is ex-Saddam Sunnis/Bathist Army generals, that's why they aren't just a bunch of ragheads, but professional military, who would still be in Saddam's Army with Bremer hadn't fired them all.

    Thanks, Repugs, for de-stabilizing the Middle East, FOR ING DECADES.

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    What does that mean to you?

    Countries in the region are relieved from the responsibility to defend themselves from ISIS?
    Nope, but the main responsibility is ours. We destabilized the region. We shouldn't have, but we did. Now we are in the middle of the storm we created and will be for a long time to come.

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    ISIS is ex-Saddam Sunnis/Bathist Army generals, that's why they aren't just a bunch of ragheads, but professional military, who would still be in Saddam's Army with Bremer hadn't fired them all.

    Thanks, Repugs, for de-stabilizing the Middle East, FOR ING DECADES.
    So they are or are not the "JV team"?

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    Watch the Long-Lost ‘Donald Trump’s House of Wings’ Sketch


    To that end, we have uncovered a bit of Donald Trump history that has been mysteriously scrubbed from television’s memory banks. In 2004, Trump appeared in a Saturday Night Live sketch en led “Donald Trump’s House of Wings” in which he pitched a fictional Buffalo wing joint. The sketch was even listed on the package for an SNL DVD release, but the sketch itself was inexplicably missing from the disc. For whatever reason, somebody doesn’t want you to see this sketch.

    We don’t think that’s fair to the public, so in the interest of a fully-informed electorate, we present the full “Donald Trump’s House of Wings” commercial parody, so they can draw their own conclusions. Does it reflect a deficiency of gravitas, or does it demonstrate wit and charm to rival Ronald Reagan? Does it portend drastic changes in the menu and decor at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave? You be the judge:

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    Nope, but the main responsibility is ours. We destabilized the region. We shouldn't have, but we did. Now we are in the middle of the storm we created and will be for a long time to come.
    Terrorist organizations in that region form for many reasons. They exist now and they existed before we invaded Iraq. ISIS is thanks to Uncle Sam, but it doesn't shift the primarily responsibility for self-defense from ISIS or any threat from those countries in the middle-east to US (except in the case of Iraq, which we are responsible for defending).

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    Terrorist organizations in that region form for many reasons. They exist now and they existed before we invaded Iraq. ISIS is thanks to Uncle Sam, but it doesn't shift the primarily responsibility for self-defense from ISIS or any threat from those countries in the middle-east to US (except in the case of Iraq, which we are responsible for defending).
    We broke it, we own it.

    Sorry, we shouldn't have broken it in the first place, but we can't runaway from our responsibility either.

    And lol at "primary responsibility" -- how many bases do we have in foreign countries? We're responsible for the defense of a load of countries.

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    We broke it, we own it.

    Sorry, we shouldn't have broken it in the first place, but we can't runaway from our responsibility either.

    And lol at "primary responsibility" -- how many bases do we have in foreign countries? We're responsible for the defense of a load of countries.
    We have a stake in defending many countries and usually a self-interest interest in doing so. It's not our primary responsibility to do so.

    But really, we're side tracking here... there are plenty of countries in the middle-east that could and should be doing more to defeat ISIS. You can blame whoever you want -- it doesn't change that fact.

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    We have a stake in defending many countries and usually a self-interest interest in doing so. It's not our primary responsibility to do so.
    How much are we spending on those countries compared to the fight against ISIS?

    But really, we're side tracking here... there are plenty of countries in the middle-east that could and should be doing more to defeat ISIS. You can blame whoever you want -- it doesn't change that fact.
    Which countries? What do you want them all to do?

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    How much are we spending on those countries compared to the fight against ISIS?
    Probably a lot more. Why?

    I'm not defending our global empire. We can't afford to be the world police and I don't think it's worth whatever we're actually getting in return for it.

    Which countries? What do you want them all to do?
    Well we could start with Saudi Arabia. That's not a country with a weak military. Why aren't they committing more military resources to the fight?

    What about Turkey? They can't do more? We weren't even allowed to use their air bases to launch strikes against ISIS from until last week. How ridiculous...

    Too many countries think we will make almost all the sacrifice and they don't have to do anything.

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    Probably a lot more. Why?

    I'm not defending our global empire. We can't afford to be the world police and I don't think it's worth whatever we're actually getting in return for it.

    Well we could start with Saudi Arabia. That's not a country with a weak military. Why aren't they committing more military resources to the fight?

    What about Turkey? They can't do more? We weren't even allowed to use their air bases to launch strikes against ISIS from until last week. How ridiculous...

    Too many countries think we will make almost all the sacrifice and they don't have to do anything.
    Saudi arabia bombing Yemen, slaughtering lots of civilians, with US help

    Turkey seems to be taking advantage of the situation by going after Kurds as well as ISIS.

    btw, the horrible disaster of M/E spreads to Europe as 10Ks of Syrians, etc are now refugees seeking asylum, shelter, refuse, whatever via Greece and Italy and who knows where else.

    Thanks, Repugs and BigOil, you have REALLY REALLY REALLY ed up.

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    Well we could start with Saudi Arabia. That's not a country with a weak military. Why aren't they committing more military resources to the fight?
    Why should they? It's not their country.

    What about Turkey? They can't do more? We weren't even allowed to use their air bases to launch strikes against ISIS from until last week. How ridiculous...
    Why should they? It's not their country. In fact, many of those fighting ISIS in Iraq and Syria have links to separatist groups in Turkey. Why should they help them?

    Too many countries think we will make almost all the sacrifice and they don't have to do anything.
    They didn't destabilize the region and cause the formation of ISIS. We did.

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    Why should they? It's not their country.

    Why should they? It's not their country. In fact, many of those fighting ISIS in Iraq and Syria have links to separatist groups in Turkey. Why should they help them?

    They didn't destabilize the region and cause the formation of ISIS. We did.
    Well considering one of ISIS’ stated goals is to capture the city of Mecca in Saudi Arabia, I would say ISIS is an enemy of Saudi Arabia and one they might have an interest in defeating. Unless of course you think they should wait till ISIS is at their front door, then take a bigger interest in fighting. Is that what you think?

    Same basic idea with Turkey… I guess they should just wait till maybe they cross the border into Turkey.

    As long as you don't think about it, it makes perfect sense to just count on the USA to do everything. We broke it, we bought it. The whole security of the region is out of the hands of those countries and belongs to the USA. We “got this” and you should totally trust us because we’ve been so effective at beating down ISIS so far too.

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