Jimmer Fredette to the Spurs (Update: Mostly Non-Guaranteed Training Camp Deal)

[dbestpro]

Your being a Mormon is your issue.

I'm not a Mormon so being a Mormon isn't my issue.

So, I guess you could also say not being a Mormon is your issue, while being a Mormon isn't his issue.

[Spurtacular]

Well, Jimmer vs Patty is how it got started. The only reason you're trying to leave Jimmer out of it now is because Jimmer doesn't compare favorably on any speed metric. And the only reason you're trying to knock Patty's speed is to save Jimmer's viability. If you just want to have some argument about whether Patty has elite speed or not, that's already been sufficiently proven by other posters. Afterward, you made the attempt to say some of Patty's numbers should be disregarded because he is short, and has a natural advantage? But, if you're arguing about whether his speed is elite- outside of any other players (ahem <cough> Jimmer) why would we disregard any measurement that proves his elite speed because of height? We're looking at his elite speed in a vacuum, which proved you wrong, so you want to throw in height.

I don't need to give a scale for you. These things are pretty well established already. You just have to come to accept them. Patty is fast. He is among the fastest in the NBA. He is in elite company in that regard, as has already been shown.

Why are you trying to introduce ability to fill a lane, wingspan, and height, to a discussion that you are now arguing is supposed to be simply and narrowly defined to be about the elite speed of Patty Mills?!

Actually, Jimmer's speed metric does compare relatively favorably. He did well enough in speed at the combine.

Now, your case is that Patty has elite speed. I disagree. But perhaps your standard for elite speed is lower than mine.

I've made the case that whatever speed you think Patty has is much mitigated by his lack of height (in some instances) and his not especially good dribbling. I introduce these factors to show that there is basically speed and then there's basketball speed. Patty isn't getting the ball and flying up the court like a Westbrook or a Webb. Now, if you have a lower standard of elite speed, then feel free to clarify.

[Spurtacular]

So, I guess you could also say not being a Mormon is your issue, while being a Mormon isn't his issue.

And that is why he'll continue to bring it up; and that's why I'll continue to dismiss his issue.

[ChumpDumper]

And that is why he'll continue to bring it up; and that's why I'll continue to dismiss his issue.

You're a Mormon.

That's OK.

[Ignignokt]

It's OK that you're Mormon, dude.

Don't get all worked up about it.

Do you or do you not do photography for the Austin Toros?

Is your name David? Yes or No?

[ChumpDumper]

Do you or do you not do photography for the Austin Toros?

Do not.

Is your name David? Yes or No?

No.

[Ignignokt]

Do not.

No.

You admitted to being a toros photographer in the past. Or even worse, going to the games to take pics, maybe you weren't the team photographer. Maybe you were buck scouting for blake and his wife.

could you shed some light on this matter?

Thank you!

[ChumpDumper]

You admitted to being a toros photographer in the past. Or even worse, going to the games to take pics, maybe you weren't the team photographer. Maybe you were buck scouting for blake and his wife.

could you shed some light on this matter?

Thank you!

Could you tell me why you are obsessed with me?

Shed some light on your obsession with me.

Thank you!

[ChumpDumper]

*crickets*

I guess he's afraid to say why he's obsessed with me.

[buttsR4rebounding]

So if Jimmer sticks and we win a 6th will he get to take the trophy to Mormania?

[littlecoyotecoin]

Actually, Jimmer's speed metric does compare relatively favorably. He did well enough in speed at the combine.

Now, your case is that Patty has elite speed. I disagree. But perhaps your standard for elite speed is lower than mine.

I've made the case that whatever speed you think Patty has is much mitigated by his lack of height (in some instances) and his not especially good dribbling. I introduce these factors to show that there is basically speed and then there's basketball speed. Patty isn't getting the ball and flying up the court like a Westbrook or a Webb. Now, if you have a lower standard of elite speed, then feel free to clarify.

You don't get to introduce immeasurable basketball speed while at the same time saying you've measured it, and it comes out in favor of your argument for Jimmer and against Patty. That's like a religion faith argument. "Just have faith that even though it can't be quantified, and all other quantifiable numbers say the opposite, Patty Mills is not fast at basketball actions."

You will have to define relatively favorably. And, to whom? If you are comparing him to Patty, you are wrong. He doesn't compare favorably in any measurable speed metric I have seen. Show me one where he is faster. One. No? Don't have one? Your argument is reduced then to: Jimmer is not THAT much slower than Patty. And then here is where your lack of understanding of math comes into play. Looking at a raw number and saying .11 seconds, etc isn't THAT much faster, when in actuality it may be two or three standard deviations, or feet not inches, when you are arguing his 3 inch height advantage would make up for the two feet out of position he would be due to that .11 seconds. Etc. You can't say he isn't "that much" faster without defining "that much". The only thing that can be said is what has already been said, and that Patty is among the fastest in the league at measurables already given in this thread, and that includes being faster than Jimmer who is not among the fastest in the league. Period.

Anything else is some nebulous argument about how much slower can a player be than Patty and still be effective. That's what the argument has been reduced to. Jimmer is slower than Patty, is he so much slower that he can't be effective. We will see. Can his moderate size advantage allow him to make up for the deficit of speed vs Patty? Thus far in their careers, I haven't seen any reason to believe Jimmer's used his three inch height to make up for his speed on defense, especially, or offense - relative to Patty.

And, it wasn't my case for Patty's elite speed. Several other posters made it. I just observed. They made a clear case. You just can't admit you were wrong. I, on the other hand, as an outside observer, have no problem seeing who won that argument (not you). They provided facts. You can only talk about magic unicorn basketball eye test speed that you have no measurements for, and, by the way, you got shouted down for because everyone else's eye test also states that Patty is fast on these immeasurable eye-test metrics you want to use.

But, I'm confused again. Are you talking about Patty's speed? You keep wanting to introduce non-speed items into the speed discussion after reprimanding me that this was to be a discussion of Patty Mills lack of speed. Do you have any data to counter the data already provided that Patty Mills is among the fastest in the NBA?

Any data?

And data showing Patty not in the upper quartile in any measurement? Anything. You were provided with several metrics. Give us one.

There's about ten people that disagree with your eye test, and no one that agrees with your eye test. In addition to that, there is data that casts doubt on your eye test, while simultaneously corroborating the ten or so eye tests that disagree with your single, solitary, lonely, dataless eyetest. I know that doesn't give you pause, but it should.

[monkeypunk]

So if Jimmer sticks and we win a 6th will he get to take the trophy to Mormania?

He has to toss his ring into the Joseph Smith hat for the Xenu overlord to sport on his intergalactic Space Jam compe ion.

[Ignignokt]

Could you tell me why you are obsessed with me?

Shed some light on your obsession with me.

Thank you!

Why are you quoting Spurtacular here?

[monkeypunk]

[ChumpDumper]

Why are you quoting Spurtacular here?

i just asked him one question.

You've been stalking me for years.

Why have you been stalking me for years, gtown?

[cd98]

I guess the bigger question is if Jimmer hits a Sean Elliotesque three pointer to win a championship for the Spurs, are we all converting to Mormonism?

[Ignignokt]

i just asked him one question.

You've been stalking me for years.

Why have you been stalking me for years, gtown?

You can't stalk someone who has 100k posts and infests every thread and has no life. It's not like you make an effort to shy away. You live and breathe this forum, if it goes down, you will probably hang yourself.

I mean, winning an argument in this forum is SO important for you.

You will spam post for eternity if you didn't have to have bowel movements.

[ChumpDumper]

You can't stalk someone who has 100k posts and infests every thread and has no life. It's not like you make an effort to shy away. You live and breathe this forum, if it goes down, you will probably hang yourself.

I mean, winning an argument in this forum is SO important for you.

You will spam post for eternity if you didn't have to have bowel movements.

Of course you can stalk me.

You do it all the time.

The majority of your posts are dedicated to me and Blake.

If I left you'd obviously have to hang yourself.

So why do you dedicate so much time to me? If I have no life, you have even less.

[Ignignokt]

Of course you can stalk me.

You do it all the time.

The majority of your posts are dedicated to me and Blake.

If I left you'd obviously have to hang yourself.

So why do you dedicate so much time to me? If I have no life, you have even less.

Stop crying,you're such the little . I'll back off if you want. Just cry to Kori.

[ChumpDumper]

Stop crying,you're such the little . I'll back off if you want. Just cry to Kori.

Aw, gtown -- don't get mad and pouty.

All you have to do is say why you've taken such a fancy to me all these years.

You get so shy when you are confronted.

[Ignignokt]

Aw, gtown -- don't get mad and pouty.

All you have to do is say why you've taken such a fancy to me all these years.

You get so shy when you are confronted.

Only 4ever alones need to believe that they are getting hit on constantly. Wipe the dorito stains off your fedora and find some fat feminist heifer to rule your roost.

[ChumpDumper]

Only 4ever alones need to believe that they are getting hit on constantly. Wipe the dorito stains off your fedora and find some fat feminist heifer to rule your roost.

I don't need to believe anything. The proof is in your posts.

Why do you get so angry about your own posts?

[Ignignokt]

I don't need to believe anything. The proof is in your posts.

Why do you get so angry about your own posts?

So much cattiness from this post. It's like I'm reading a Huff Post comment section.

[ChumpDumper]

So much cattiness from this post. It's like I'm reading a Huff Post comment section.

Hey, you're the one who followed me into three threads today with your claws out.

[Ignignokt]

Hey, you're the one who followed me into three threads today with your claws out.

You're in every thread. I'd have to not post here to avoid you.