Paul
James
How about instead of trying to be a hard ass, you'd actually rebuke what a I said and then we'd discuss it like adults. Kids these days.
Current game: OffenseTo build your team around?
Pierce
- Defensive
- Clutch
- Captain
Harden has not eclipsed Pierce. Needs at-least 5 more seasons of current production
Sidenote:
So Pierce over McGrady/Carter?
I'd take him over Carter. Not over McGrady if he would've stayed healthy in some alternate universe.
Pierce vs Manu
Close but Paul slightly
Absolutely. Pierce makes my top 5 midrange players of all-time.
That's a tough one. It oscillated year to year, tbh.
Name the other 4,,,,you got 2 minutes(google is your friend),,,,I bet you cant,,,I'll even spot you one with Ray Allen,,,,,
1. Bird
2. K Malone
3. P Pierce
4. Dirk
5. B King
6. K Johnson
7. D Wade
8. V Johnson
9. R Hamilton
10. Marbury
11 minutes?,,,but ok,,,lets break your list down. You think Pierce is up there with Bird, Malone, Dirk, Allen, and Kobe(I noticed you didn't put Allen or Kobe) but both are better pure mid rangers than Pierce ever thought about,,,,
I'd put MJ on the list before Kobe or Allen.
Kobe warrants consideration; but he didn't even have a consistent mid range shot. Pierce's mid range shot was deadly. And he had it going strong for more years than Kobe did as well. Pierce was a player that would make 20 straight open 19-footers consistently. Kobe was nowhere near that level.
Tough but gotta go with Pierce for being more reliable from a durability standpoint.
I think Non-Spur opinion would be Pierce carried a Franchise for 8 something years
While Manu was good/bad blessed with Timmay
Understandable from a standpoint of someone who doesn't watch the Spurs. Manu def could have carried those C's to the same place Pierce took them most of the time(missed PO, first round exits, 1 ecf until teamed up with stars).
What Legends are Made Of
Going to miss this guy
I still have a pistons duffle bag from this finals. Good times.
I still have a pistons duffle bag from this finals. Good times.
God bless youTube
Stupid thread. OP must be 15 years old. Hated the Celtics, but prime Pierce rivals prime LeHype. There's a reason he was "The Truth." Prime Bin Harden v. prime Pierce? No comparison.
according to you, harden made his mark by being westchimps and durants , being on the bench strictly because he was a bottom 5 defender in the league, and that's better than being the franchise player.. whatever
Though following the Lakers back out to the coast---after he swore up & down he'd not do such is a pox upon the piss pot.
Then he & Danny had to fly back. tee, hee. Yeah, Ainge, hidin' out in Los Angeles.
Pierce does not rival LeBron
Pierce by a little
In terms of career accomplishments, it's most definitely Pierce and it's not even close.
But that is not the point of this thread, and I felt a lot of people are mistaking the topic.
In terms of prime vs. current, I would say they are pretty even, but Harden does have the better numbers, most traditional and advanced. I would still pick Pierce though, just an easier player to build around because he can direct an offense (better than Harden), score (not as good as Harden, but close), and defend the perimeter (much better than Harden).
Pierce requires an all-star big next to him who can score, rebound and defend. Those guys don't grow on trees, but is surely a lot easier to find than a bunch of three point shooters who can defend AND an all-star big who can score rebound and defend.
Harden dominates the ball on offense, but he is not really good enough to carry an championship level team on offense all by himself, like Lebron, Dirk, Tim, Shaq or even Wade could. So it's extremely tough to really field a championship team around him with an offense that is tough enough to defend, but can also hide his defensive deficiencies.
It's not a coincidence Harden's numbers drop in the playoffs after he became a #1, because as good as he is, playoff defenses can stop Harden, but there aren't really any other creators on the Rockets to take that burden off of him. The reason they don't have that #2 creator is because that #2 creator cannot really strive in the Rockets environment, where it's Harden dribbling and crossing over for 16 seconds before he drives to the basket to score, get fouled, or kick it out. Harden would be GREAT in the 90s.
In terms of ranking the players, I have, barring injuries and only prime:
Wade
Iverson
TMac
Harden
Carter
Pierce
In terms of career:
Pierce
Wade
Iverson
TMac
Carter
Harden (just too young, would most definitely move up)
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