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    In Passionate Letter to Congress, Hundreds of Rabbis Endorse Iran Deal


    Urging lawmakers to pass nuclear agreement, rabbis also fight perception of American Jewish opposition to the deal

    More than 300 rabbis "from all streams of Judaism" on Monday sent a letter to all lawmakers in U.S. Congress urging them to approve the historic nuclear deal with Iran, calling it "the best arrangement possible given current international realities."

    "As rabbis, we support the agreement between the United States, the United Kingdom, France, Germany, China, Russia and Iran– The Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action. We encourage the members of the Senate and the House of Representatives to endorse this agreement," the letter states.

    "If Congress ultimately rejects the deal, the consequences for the United States, Israel, the Jewish community and the world will be significant," said Rabbi Samuel Gordon of Wilmette, Illinois in a statement accompanying the letter.


    Signed by 340 rabbis from around the country and published by Ameinu, which describes itself as a broad community of progressive American Jews seeking social and economic justice in Israel and the United States, the missive also sought to highlight recent poll numbers indicating widespread public support for the deal by American Jews.


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    Iran deal opponents now have their "death panels" lie, and it's a whopper

    The debate over the Iran nuclear deal may now have its own version of "death panels," a provision that is both a point of overwhelming criticism and largely fic ious.

    "Particularly troublesome, you have to wait 24 days before you can inspect," Sen. Chuck Schumer told reporters last week, explaining why he is opposing the deal.


    Conservative media have hammered at this idea: that nuclear inspectors must wait 24 days before visiting any place in Iran that is not a declared nuclear site. Sometimes they imply or outright state, as in the case of this staggeringly misleading but representativeFox News story, that the 24-day wait applies even to known nuclear sites.


    This certainly sounds scary. It sounds, as the critics often say, like those bumbling appeasers in the Obama administration have handed Iran the ability to cheat on the deal and then prevent inspectors from catching them.


    Fortunately, this is all largely false. It's a lot like "death panels," in which Obamacare critics took a benign fact about the health-care bill — it would include end-of-life counseling — and then spun it up into a massive lie about how President Obama was going to cancel Granny's life-sustaining medications and send her to an early grave. This is an issue on which nuclear deal critics have taken a small truth and then exaggerated, distorted, and outright lied about it to make it into something very different.


    How the "24-day wait" lie came about


    When it comes to inspections, the deal divides Iran into two kinds of sites: declared nuclear sites and every other place.

    The declared nuclear sites include any place where nuclear work is happening: uranium mines, uranium plants, centrifuge factories, and of course enrichment sites, which means the places where centrifuges spin up nuclear material. At those sites, inspectors do not have to wait. They will have nuclear sites under continual monitoring.


    But what about the rest of the country? What if inspectors worry that Iran might be conducting secret nuclear work someplace else? It's happened before, after all. But this was always going to be a hard problem, and so-called "anytime, anywhere" inspections are not realistically possible: Generally, only countries that have lost a war can be forced to agree to something so obtrusive. And a country like Iran, which fears an attack from the US, worries that Western inspectors could abuse access to military sites to give their governments intelligence on Iran's non-nuclear military programs.


    So the deal struck a compromise that actually gives inspectors pretty good access: If they want to go someplace that is not a declared nuclear site, they can demand access. Here's what happens if they do:

    1. Iran has to grant access within 24 hours, unless it objects to the validity of the demand.
    2. If Iran objects, it and inspectors enter negotiations. If they agree to disagree, the issue gets kicked to a special international commission that includes the US and the other countries that signed the nuclear deal. If it's been 14 days and they're still talking, it goes to the international commission (made up of US, UK, France, Germany, EU, China, Russia, and Iran).
    3. The international commission votes on whether to force Iran to comply. The US and its European allies have a majority on the commission, so if they agree they can overrule the other members. They can hold that vote right away, or they can wait up to seven days.
    4. If the commission votes to force Iran to comply, Iran has to let in the inspectors within three days. If it doesn't, the international sanctions will "snap" back into force.


    What critics have done is look at this timeline and focus on the fact that in the most extreme possible scenario, the time between when inspectors demand access and when they get access could be as much as 24 days. Weirdly, this assumes that not just Iran but even the US and its allies will push delays as long as possible, but that is only one of the smaller problems with this idea.


    This is a lot more than just misleading — it is a wild distortion of how inspections in general, and this inspection regime in particular, will work, based on a series of misleading or outright dishonest claims about how the deal works.


    The truth about the "24-day wait"


    Here are a few problems with the idea that inspectors will have to wait 24 days to access undeclared sites in Iran:


    • Iran deal critics are lying when they present this process as the default way in which every visit to an undeclared site will go. In fact, under an agreement that Iran has accepted called the Additional Protocol, inspectors are required access within 24 hours. This other, multi-day process is meant as a fail-safe in case that doesn't work.
    • Critics claim that because the process could, in theory, take up to 24 days, it means Iran can force inspectors to wait 24 days. This is false. Iran does not control every step of the process — the US and its allies could force a vote on the international commission right away, for example — so it is nonsense to argue that Iran could unilaterally delay inspection up to 24 full days.
    • Even if Iran does push for as much delaying as possible, that would be like waving a big, neon-lit invitation over that particular site to Western spy agencies, which have a very good track record of spotting illicit Iranian nuclear activity. If Iran carted out material or bulldozed a test chamber or something, we would spot it, and the jig would be up.
    • Nuclear radiation lasts a very long time. If Iran wants to enrich uranium, it will produce radioactive isotopes that cannot be scrubbed out. Yes, there are non-radioactive activities that Iran could conduct, but you need the radioactive stuff to build a bomb, and that is detectable long after 24 days.
    • Iran deal critics pretend that during this process, the US and its allies would be powerless, essentially held hostage by Iranian intransigence. In fact, they have a variety of tools built into the deal by which they can pressure Iran to let in inspectors, and if necessary can blow up the deal by bringing back sanctions.


    The bigger lie behind the "24 days" lie


    This entire line of criticism fundamentally mischaracterizes how nuclear inspections work. Ultimately, inspections are a set of tools meant to determine whether Iran is holding to its commitments under the nuclear deal. If inspectors try to get access to sites but at every turn are delayed by Iranian stall tactics, guess what: It will be extremely clear from all this stalling that Iran is not adhering to the deal. Inspections will have worked.

    It's not as if the deal binds our hands to accept Iranian behavior unless we catch them specifically in the act of illicit nuclear development. Repeatedly delaying inspectors up to the highest possible limit would effectively prove that Iran was cheating, without the world even having to catch them red-handed.


    If the US suspects from Iran's delays that the country might be cheating on the deal, it can punish and pressure Iran into stopping the delays, even if those delays are technically within the allowed time frame. Indeed, those tools are built into the process.


    David Albright, a nuclear expert who is considered otherwise skeptical of the deal, pointed out to the Washington Post's Glenn Kessler that the deal gives the US leverage to, for example, "slow nuclear cooperation and approvals of exports to Iran via the procurement channel." (He added, "Iran should get a message that prompt access is required under the Additional Protocol, despite the language in the [final nuclear deal].")


    And if the US gets fed up, it can always use its veto power to unilaterally "snap back" United Nations Security Council sanctions. That's both a threat it can hold over Iran's head if Iran is delaying too much, and a threat it can actually use if it becomes necessary.


    If anything, by codifying such a specific procedure for what happens if Iran refuses inspectors entry, the deal makes it easier to figure out if Iran is attempting to exploit the process to delay inspectors so as to cover up illicit development.


    "This arrangement is much, much stronger than the normal safeguards agreement, which requires prompt access in theory but does not place time limits on ering," Jeffrey Lewis, an arms control expert at Middlebury University, wrote in his typically colorful Foreign Policy column.


    Lewis sees this process for getting access as a strength that has been turned into a weakness, and one he goes on to compare to the "death panels" lie of the Obamacare debates:

    Some of us might think it’s good that the agreement puts defined limits on how much Iran can stall and explicitly prohibits a long list of weaponization activities. Opponents, like Schumer — apparently for want of anything better — have seized on these details to spin them into objections. A weaker, less detailed agreement might have been easier to defend against this sort of attack, perhaps.


    ... The claim that inspections occur with a 24-day delay is the equivalent of Obamacare "death panels." Remember those? A minor detail has been twisted into a bizarre caricature and repeated over and over until it becomes "true."

    Lying about policy has consequences

    Sarah Palin speaks at an event. (Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)

    We all look back on "death panels" now and laugh; 2009 feels so long ago, and Sarah Palin's lie that Obamacare would have bureaucrats decide whether your grandmother's life is worth saving is safely in the past.


    But at the time, it felt very significant, and indeed it was. One poll found that 30 percent of Americans, including 47 percent of Republicans, thought it was true. Obamacare became, in the political press, inextricably linked to the
    "death panels" myth.


    It was politically damaging for the health-care act both because it scared people who thought it was true, and because it helped shift the national conversation away from the big picture of what Obamacare did for American health care and refocused it on whatever detail the critics were worked up about that week, whether that detail had significance or not, whether their criticism had merit or not.


    Death panels were the boldest of these lies, but they were also the embodiment of a news cycle-driven obsession with whatever the latest controversy happened to be.


    We are entering a similar cycle with the Iran nuclear deal. But debunkings never stick as effectively as the lie itself; just ask the 28 percent of voters who still believed as of 2013 that Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11.

    These lies aren't just a way for Sen. Schumer to give himself political cover for voting against the deal; they frighten people, and distort how they see the world. "Death panels" taught Americans to fear health care; "24 days" teaches them to fear even very good diplomatic agreements. Even if the deal passes, these lies have consequences, and we should stop repeating them.


    http://www.vox.com/2015/8/19/9176415...ctions-24-days



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    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...08-19-15-56-34


    Iran gets to inspect Iran's nuclear sites.

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    VIENNA (AP) -- Iran will be allowed to use its own inspectors to investigate a site it has been accused of using to develop nuclear arms, operating under a secret agreement with the U.N. agency that normally carries out such work, according to a do ent seen by The Associated Press.

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    VIENNA (AP) -- Iran will be allowed to use its own inspectors to investigate a site it has been accused of using to develop nuclear arms, operating under a secret agreement with the U.N. agency that normally carries out such work, according to a do ent seen by The Associated Press.
    how does that stop, or bother, external inspectors?

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    how does that stop, or bother, external inspectors?
    Just say this out loud to yourself.

    Iran gets to inspect Iran's nuclear site


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    Just say this out loud to yourself.

    Iran gets to inspect Iran's nuclear site

    how does that stop, or bother, external inspectors?

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    how does that stop, or bother, external inspectors?
    You didn't say it out loud

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    You didn't say it out loud
    how does that stop, or bother, external inspectors?

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    still not getting mutual exclusivity and repeating yourself like an idiot I see.

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    still not getting mutual exclusivity and repeating yourself like an idiot I see.
    Still "ignoring" I see.

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    Deal seems like a euphemism. Do we get anything out of this?

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    possibly we keep Iran from getting the bomb, and Iran gets opened up to commercial and cultural ties with the rest of the world. could be a win-win.

    some big ifs there to be sure.

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    As Conservative Media Trash Iran Deal, Nuclear Experts And Former Military Endorse It As "Strong" And "Effective"

    Nuclear And Military Experts Release Statements Endorsing The Iran Nuclear Deal

    Arms Control Association: Iran Nuclear Deal Is "Strong, Long-Term, And Verifiable."

    On August 17 the nonpartisan Arms Control Association released a statement from nuclear nonproliferation specialists backing the Iran nuclear deal and calling it "a net-plus for nonproliferation." The statement, which was endorsed by 75 experts, called the agreement "strong, long-term, and verifiable" and noted that it "advances the security interests" of the United States and its allies:

    The Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) is a strong, long-term, and verifiable agreement that will be a net-plus for international nuclear nonproliferation efforts.

    It advances the security interests of the P5+1 nations (China, France, Germany, Russia, the United Kingdom, and the United States), the European Union, their allies and partners in the Middle East, and the international community.
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    If all sides comply with and faithfully implement their multi-year obligations, the agreement will reduce the risk of a destabilizing nuclear compe ion in a troubled region - giving time and space to address other regional problems without fear of an Iran armed with nuclear weapons--and head off a catastrophic military conflict over Iran's nuclear program.

    Though all of us could find ways to improve the text, we believe the JCPOA meets key nonproliferation and security objectives and see no realistic prospect for a better nuclear agreement.

    We urge the leaders of the P5+1 states, the European Union, and Iran to take the steps necessary to ensure timely implementation and rigorous compliance with the JCPOA. [Arms Control Association, 8/17/15]

    Retired Military Leaders
    : Iran Nuclear Deal Is "The Most Effective Means Currently Available" To Ensure Iran Doesn't Get a Nuclear Weapon.

    A group of retired U.S. military generals and admirals voiced their support for the nuclear deal with Iran in an August 11 open letter, writing that they "support the agreement as the most effective means currently available to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons":

    The international deal blocks the potential pathways to a nuclear bomb, provides for intrusive verification, and strengthens American national security. America and our allies, in the Middle East and around the world, will be safer when this agreement is fully implemented. It is not based on trust; the deal requires verification and tough sanctions for failure to comply.


    There is no better option to prevent an Iranian nuclear weapon. Military action would be less effective than the deal, assuming it is fully implemented. If the Iranians cheat, our advanced technology, intelligence and the inspections will reveal it, and U.S. military options remain on the table. And if the deal is rejected by America, the Iranians could have a nuclear weapon within a year. The choice is that stark.

    [...]
    If at some point it becomes necessary to consider military action against Iran, gathering sufficient international support for such an effort would only be possible if we have first given the diplomatic path a chance. We must exhaust diplomatic options before moving to military ones.

    For these reasons, for the security of our Nation, we call upon Congress and the American people to support this agreement. [Washington Post, 8/11/15]

    http://mediamatters.org/research/201...clear-e/204995



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    Noam Chomsky: Why America Is the Gravest Threat to World Peace

    Opposition within the political class is so strong that public opinion has shifted quickly from significant support for the deal to an even split.

    Republicans are almost unanimously opposed to the agreement.

    The current Republican primaries illustrate the proclaimed reasons.

    Senator Ted Cruz, considered one of the intellectuals among the crowded field of presidential candidates, warns that Iran may still be able to produce nuclear weapons and could someday use one to set off an Electro Magnetic Pulse that “would take down the electrical grid of the entire eastern seaboard” of the United States, killing “tens of millions of Americans.”

    The two most likely winners, former Florida Governor Jeb Bush and Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker, are battling over whether to bomb Iran immediately after being elected or after the first Cabinet meeting.

    The one candidate with some foreign policy experience, Lindsey Graham, describesthe deal as “a death sentence for the state of Israel,” which will certainly come as a surprise to Israeli intelligence and strategic analysts -- and which Graham knows to be utter nonsense, raising immediate questions about actual motives.


    Keep in mind that the Republicans long ago abandoned the pretense of functioning as a normal congressional party.

    They have, as respected conservative political commentator Norman Ornstein of the right-wing American Enterprise Ins ute observed, become a “radical insurgency” that scarcely seeks to participate in normal congressional politics.


    Since the days of President Ronald Reagan, the party leadership has plunged so far into the pockets of the very rich and the corporate sector that they can attract votes only by mobilizing parts of the population that have not previously been an organized political force.

    Among them are extremist evangelical Christians, now probably a majority of Republican voters;

    remnants of the former slave-holding states;

    nativists who are terrified that “they” are taking our white Christian Anglo-Saxon country away from us;

    and others who turn the Republican primaries into spectacles remote from the mainstream of modern society -- though not from the mainstream of the most powerful country in world history.

    http://www.alternet.org/noam-chomsky...ter1041204&t=4



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    The AP's controversial and badly flawed Iran inspections story, explained

    On Wednesday afternoon, the Associated Press published an exclusive report on the Iran nuclear program so shocking that many political pundits declared the nuclear deal dead in the water. But the article turned out to be a lot less damning that it looked — and the AP, which scrubbed many of the most damning details, is now itself part of this increasingly bizarre story.

    To get a handle on all this, I spoke to Jeffrey Lewis, an arms control expert at Middlebury College's Monterey Ins ute of International Studies. What follows is a primer on what happened, what the AP story said and how it changed, the nuclear issues involved — a place called Parchin and something known as PMD — and what they mean for the nuclear deal.


    The bottom line here is that this is all over a mild and widely anticipated compromise on a single set of inspections to a single, long-dormant site. The AP, deliberately or not, has distorted that into something that sounds much worse, but actually isn't. The whole incident is a fascinating, if disturbing, example of how misleading reporting on technical issues can play into the politics of foreign policy.


    The AP ran an alarming headline with a more modest story


    This all started when the Associated Press published a story with an alarming headline: "AP Exclusive: UN to let Iran inspect alleged nuke work site."

    The headline made it sound like Iran would get to self-inspect, which would indeed be appalling. Readers were given the impression that President Obama had made a catastrophically foolish concession to the Iranians; that our much-touted inspections regime was a big joke. And indeed, a number of prominent political journalists tweeted out the story with exactly this alarmed interpretation.

    "If true" turns out to be a major issue here, as upon closer examination the inflammatory headline, as it has been widely interpreted, appears to largely not be true.

    In fact, the text of the article said something much more modest. It said that in a one-time set of inspections at one military facility known as Parchin, Iranians, rather than nuclear inspectors, would take "environmental samples" (such as soil samples). It said that nuclear inspectors would not be permitted to visit, and that Iran would not provide photos or videos of the site. But still, it was concerning.


    "The story was the Iranians would take the samples under some kind of IAEA monitoring," Jeffrey Lewis, the arms control expert, told me. "The details of that monitoring were not provided, so it's hard to say how weird that is. Some IAEA officials say that it's not unusual to let a country physically take the samples if there's an IAEA inspector present."


    The sourcing in the story, though, seemed to water it down a bit more. The report was not based not on an actual agreement, but rather on a copy of a draft agreement. The anonymous source who showed AP the do ent said there was a final version that is similar, but con uously refused to show AP the final version or go into specifics.


    "The oldest Washington game is being played in Vienna," Lewis said. "And that is leaking what appears to be a prejudicial and one-sided account of a confidential do ent to a friendly reporter, and using that to advance a particular policy agenda."

    Oddly, the AP then quietly deleted the most damning details from the story

    Then things got weird: A couple of hours after first publishing, the AP added in a bunch of quotes from Republicans furiously condemning the revelations, but at the same time, the APremoved most of the actual revelations. The information in the article wassubstantially altered, with some of the most damning details scrubbed entirely. No explanation for this was given.

    The new version of the story said nothing about environmental sampling. It said that Iran will provide photos and videos of the site, as well as mechanisms by which the IAEA can verify that these are authentic. But information about how the IAEA would verify this, which was in the original story, had also been removed.


    "The original version of the story, before they edited out all of the interesting details, seemed to modestly advance a story that [AP reporter George Jahn] had published a few weeks ago," Lewis said. "But now we're so far down into the weeds of safeguards, it's really hard to know. The version that was originally published seemed to indicate that the level of access was lower than I would have thought, lower than I would have expected the IAEA to accept. But then those paragraphs disappeared."


    http://www.vox.com/2015/8/20/9182185/ap-iran-inspections-parchin





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    Iran with a big middle finger test missile

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    Iran with a big middle finger test missile
    show what's your solution, thrower?

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    The agreement is fine if we have the political balls to enforce it and slam the door closed with sanctions the first time they test us. We won't.
    Didn't take long to test us.

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    Iran parliament approves nuclear deal with world powers


    http://news.yahoo.com/iran-parliamen...055008840.html

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    Iran parliament approves nuclear deal with world powers


    http://news.yahoo.com/iran-parliamen...055008840.html

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    White House says Iran's missile test may have violated U.N. resolution

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/13/us-iran-military-missiles-whitehouse-idUSKCN0S72BN20151013



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    Iran Nuclear Deal Formally Adopted

    The U.N.’s nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency, is committed under the deal to release a report by year-end about the status of Iran’s alleged weaponization work. U.S. officials over the weekend said the IAEA report would have no bearing on moves by the international community to lift sanctions.

    “That final assessment, which the IAEA is aiming to complete by December 15th, is not a prerequisite for implementation day,” a senior U.S. official said Saturday. “We are not in a position to evaluate the quality…of the data. That is between Iran and the IAEA.”
    Secretary of State John Kerry and other U.S. officials had previously said sanctions wouldn’t be lifted unless Iran substantively cooperated with the U.N. probe.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/iran-nuc...ted-1445195172

    ... and the Ba Ba Ba Ba Bomb Iran Repugs are throwing their usual , ALWAYS WRONG, from the peanut gallery.



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    Paul Ryan Promises House Will Do Everything Possible to Sabotage Peace with Iran

    today he released the following statement on implementation of the Iran nuclear agreement:

    A bipartisan majority in the House voted to reject this deal in the first place, and we will continue to do everything possible to prevent a nuclear Iran.

    http://www.politicususa.com/2016/01/...iticus+USA+%29

    Mother ING Repugs, ing everything up.

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    Iran says to buy 114 Airbus planes, interested in Boeing and other deals

    Iran plans to buy 114 aircraft from European plane maker Airbus (AIR.PA) as soon as March, and is looking for other deals, senior Iranian officials said on Sunday as their country emerges from sanctions and international isolation.

    The republic could need as many as 500 new planes over the next three years,

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ir...-idUSKCN0V2098

    I suppose it would help Iran's national treasury if oil went back to $100.



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