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    I already stated my stance on this earlier in the thread. Obviously, that's a horrible situation and only ~3% of abortions are for medical and rape reasons. 97% are for casual/convenience reasons. So out of the roughly 60,000,000 abortions in the US since 1973, only 1,800,000 have been for rape or medical issues. I'd say 2 wrongs don't make a right, but I completely understand why that would be legal even if I don't think the would abortion solve any of the problems for the victim.
    Funny how many times the "abortion is murder" people change their tune when rape is involved.

    At that point, then it's ok to murder an innocent human that broke no law.

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    Funny how many times the "abortion is murder" people change their tune when rape is involved.

    At that point, then it's ok to murder an innocent human that broke no law.
    I don't think you read correctly. I said two wrongs don't make a right. It is still murder whether or not the woman was raped.

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    I don't think the would abortion solve any of the problems for the victim.
    Except for the whole pregnancy thing

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    zygotes are not humans. I know you want them to be conscious and have souls because of your spiritual mumbo jumbo.

    I don't know why you are letting puritanical mumbo jumbo nonsense be the central argument.

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    I don't think you read correctly. I said two wrongs don't make a right. It is still murder whether or not the woman was raped.
    It's murder that you're ok with.

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    It's murder that you're ok with.
    Nope not ok with it. But I would understand why more people would be ok with it.

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    zygotes are not humans. I know you want them to be conscious and have souls because of your spiritual mumbo jumbo.

    I don't know why you are letting puritanical mumbo jumbo nonsense be the central argument.
    They have human DNA, does that make them a dog or something?

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    Except for the whole pregnancy thing
    LOL pregnancy as a problem. WOW. Sounds like the pregnant woman should make better choices before hand.

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    They have human DNA, does that make them a dog or something?
    zygote is not viable, has no brain which defines a human being. Let's call it a human bean.

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    zygote is not viable, has no brain which defines a human being. Let's call it a human bean.
    brain doesn't define a human being, other organisms have brains and aren't human. Unique DNA sequence is what defines a species.

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    brain doesn't define a human being
    as far as we know (can't talk the large sea mammals), the human brain is the organ that defines humanity. Other brains are (vastly) inferior (as far as we know).

    Speech, reading, writing, abstract thought, sophisticated tool making, etc, etc, are all derived from the superiority of the human brain. brainless zygotes aren't human.

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    brb gonna go to my local hospital's icu and shoot all the brain dead people

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    brb gonna go to my local hospital's icu and shoot all the brain dead people
    ... who aren't fully human, anymore.

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    as far as we know (can't talk the large sea mammals), the human brain is the organ that defines humanity. Other brains are (vastly) inferior (as far as we know).

    Speech, reading, writing, abstract thought, sophisticated tool making, etc, etc, are all derived from the superiority of the human brain. brainless zygotes aren't human.
    I wonder what the human brain is made up of at a molecular level... Human DNA. If a organism has human DNA, it won't develop into anything but a human. Same holds true for all species.

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    I wonder what the human brain is made up of at a molecular level... Human DNA. If a organism has human DNA, it won't develop into anything but a human. Same holds true for all species.
    so now you're saying human DNA makes zygote a human?

    what about zygotes that develop severely damaged, dysfunctional nervous systems and non-viable babies?

    10% to 20% of zygotes result in miscarriages before 12 weeks

    and why are you pro-birth zealots not bombing fertility clinics, harassing and murdering fertility clinic staff, for disposing of zygotes?

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    Does calling a baby a zygote really make it different? Abortion is fine with me, just call it what it is...killing unwanted babies before they are born.

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    so now you're saying human DNA makes zygote a human?

    what about zygotes that develop severely damaged, dysfunctional nervous systems and non-viable babies?

    10% to 20% of zygotes result in miscarriages before 12 weeks

    and why are you pro-birth zealots not bombing fertility clinics, harassing and murdering fertility clinic staff, for disposing of zygotes?
    yes a human zygote is a human.

    Are children with disabilities any less human?

    bombing and murdering are wrong. Go fish.

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    Does calling a baby a zygote really make it different? Abortion is fine with me, just call it what it is...killing unwanted babies before they are born.
    honesty. I like it.

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    yes a human zygote is a human.

    Are children with disabilities any less human?

    bombing and murdering are wrong. Go fish.
    babies with non-viable brains, incapable of autonomy at any stage of their life, are sub-human.

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    babies with non-viable brains, incapable of autonomy at any stage of their life, are sub-human.
    What about adults and children without brain activity?

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    What about adults and children without brain activity?
    same, with no normally function HUMAN BRAIN, a person is not fully human.

    Of course, ethics, morals, guilt, emotions cloud that brutally Darwinian assessment for most people, but facts is facts.

    Humans didn't evolve over 100Ks years by dragging along tribal members who couldn't hold their own, who put the tribe at risk.

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    LOL pregnancy as a problem. WOW. Sounds like the pregnant woman should make better choices before hand.
    or the men involved. or both.

    either way, we are discussing the problem at hand, not what caused it. there were over 3 million unplanned pregnancies last year in the US. they happen.

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    or the men involved.
    nope, the white male misogynists are of course are not misandrists.

    They're only interested in vagina and sex-life control of poor non-Euro-white poor women, aka, "breeders".

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    or the men involved. or both.

    either way, we are discussing the problem at hand, not what caused it. there were over 3 million unplanned pregnancies last year in the US. they happen.
    The male is only fully responsibly when it's a case of rape. Other then that, in consensual sex, it's equal responsibility. As I said, sounds like better choices should have been made before hand, you always run the risk of pregnancy.

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    same, with no normally function HUMAN BRAIN, a person is not fully human.

    Of course, ethics, morals, guilt, emotions cloud that brutally Darwinian assessment for most people, but facts is facts.

    Humans didn't evolve over 100Ks years by dragging along tribal members who couldn't hold their own, who put the tribe at risk.
    thanks for finally being clear about it. Any human with mental disorders are not considered to be human in your book.

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