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    A recent survey of 1800 OB/GYN's found that only 14% were able or willing to perform abortions.

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    A recent survey of 1800 OB/GYN's found that only 14% were able or willing to perform abortions.
    That's the key word.

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    That's the key word.
    Why? I'm sure they all have access to facilities and the talent to use them. It's not a particularly high tech procedure.

    Whether or not you think abortion is a necessary service to offer (and I do), we ought to remember the distinction between 'pro-choice' and 'pro-abortion'. At the end of the day, elective (ie. non-medically necessary) abortion is the opposite of everything a doctor otherwise does in their job - it is killing something which isn't sick and isn't making anyone else sick. If many doctors feel they cannot reconcile this act with the life-preserving demands of their profession, they should have an enshrined right not to participate.

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    Why? I'm sure they all have access to facilities and the talent to use them. It's not a particularly high tech procedure.
    Most of them don't work in facilities that meet all of the necessary (and increasingly strict) requirements to even be able to perform abortions. Why do you think there are only 10 abortion clinics left in Texas?

    Unfortunately we haven't left the decision to doctors and their patients, we've left it with politicians.

    Whether or not you think abortion is a necessary service to offer (and I do), we ought to remember the distinction between 'pro-choice' and 'pro-abortion'. At the end of the day, elective (ie. non-medically necessary) abortion is the opposite of everything a doctor otherwise does in their job - it is killing something which isn't sick and isn't making anyone else sick. If many doctors feel they cannot reconcile this act with the life-preserving demands of their profession, they should have an enshrined right not to participate.
    I agree, but that's not why only 14% perform abortions.

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    Most of them don't work in facilities that meet all of the necessary (and increasingly strict) requirements to even be able to perform abortions. Why do you think there are only 10 abortion clinics left in Texas?

    Unfortunately we haven't left the decision to doctors and their patients, we've left it with politicians.



    I agree, but that's not why only 14% perform abortions.
    Oh please. It's not "most".

    The law only applied to clinics that did not have admitting privileges to a real hospital in case something went wrong.

    Abortions don't have to be done in a clinic. There are hundreds if not thousands of office clinics and hospitals OB/GYNS could use if they chose to.

    That argument is Boutonish.
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    Perhaps, but your reasoning is still stupid.
    lol

    "i was wrong, and based an argument on a false premise... but ignore that, you're the stupid one"


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    Does calling a baby a zygote really make it different? Abortion is fine with me, just call it what it is...killing unwanted babies before they are born.
    why is abortion ok with you?

    why are you ok with killing babies?

    what is wrong with you?

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    why is abortion ok with you?

    why are you ok with killing babies?

    what is wrong with you?
    Raising a baby right is an expensive, life changing experience...Cost estimates are up to around $350,000 each average to do it right. After raising two and getting them through college this feels pretty close. I can afford it but a lot of people cant or don't want to.

    If a mother feels like raising a baby is not the right choice for her at the time I have no problem with her killing her baby. Supreme Court even says it's OK.

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    Oh please. It's not "most".

    The law only applied to clinics that did not have admitting privileges to a real hospital in case something went wrong.

    Abortions don't have to be done in a clinic. There are hundreds of hospitals OB/GYNS could use if they chose to.

    That argument is Boutonish.
    Look if you want to go on believing 86% of OB/GYN's oppose abortion on moral grounds then go for it, but I'd recommend you talk to one. There is a mul ude of reasons they don't perform them in their clinics and it's very rarely "I don't believe in it."

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    Raising a baby right is an expensive, life changing experience...Cost estimates are up to around $350,000 average. After raising two and getting them through college this feels about right. I can afford it but a lot of people cant or don't want to.

    If a mother feels like raising a baby is not the right choice for her at the time I have no problem with her killing her baby. Supreme Court even says it's OK.
    wow so you think a mother's inconvenience is an excuse to murder a baby? so sickening

    why is abortion ok with you, but its not ok to kill an infant if its an expensive inconvenience? or are you ok with that too?

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    why is it ok to kill a baby in the womb but not a baby that just left the womb?

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    lol

    "i was wrong, and based an argument on a false premise... but ignore that, you're the stupid one"

    why are you attacking me with ad hominems, stupid

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    why is it ok to kill a baby in the womb but not a baby that just left the womb?
    Ask the SCOTUS. One is legal the other isn't. I didn't make the rules.

    Now you are just playing stupid.

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    Personally, if a woman doesn't think she has the capacity to raise a child right I would rather her kill it in the womb than have the child and raise it in poverty and neglect.

    And if a pregnant rich party girl wants to have an abortion so she won't have to stop drinking for the next 8 months I'm OK with that too.

    It's just none of my business.
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    Ask the SCOTUS. One is legal the other isn't. I didn't make the rules.

    Now you are just playing stupid.
    i'm asking why you are personally ok with killing babies before birth but not after birth

    im not asking you to tell me what the SCOTUS thinks

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    i'm asking why you are personally ok with killing babies before birth but not after birth

    im not asking you to tell me what the SCOTUS thinks
    Hey...if you want to kill your baby, go for it. It's yours.

    Just don't touch mine.

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    Hey...if you want to kill your baby, go for it. It's yours.

    Just don't touch mine.
    You're really ok with murder? Damn.

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    You're really ok with murder? Damn.
    If you have a piece of parent that doesn't want a kid so bad that they would kill it the kid is probably better off dead anyway.

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    Hey...if you want to kill your baby, go for it. It's yours.

    Just don't touch mine.
    you didnt answer my question.

    why is it ok to kill babies before birth BUT NOT OK to kill them just after birth?

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    Killing a baby you don't want is commendable...that takes Caitlyn Jenner level courage!

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    dodging

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    you didnt answer my question.

    why is it ok to kill babies before birth BUT NOT OK to kill them just after birth?
    I told you. I don't give a if you kill your baby after birth. Morally it's the same as killing it before birth.

    Just don't try to kill mine.

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    wow cosmic cowboy thinks its fine to kill children

    until what age do you think murder should be legal?

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    wow cosmic cowboy thinks its fine to kill children

    until what age do you think murder should be legal?


    Idiot that you are you again confuse moral with legal.

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    Idiot that you are you again confuse moral with legal.
    Cmon I wanna know the answer too. What age are you morally stopping at?

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