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He's not averaging 20 plus here, and he better get used to it fast.. 15-16 a game, the ball does not stick..
Deal with it..
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He's not averaging 20 plus here, and he better get used to it fast.. 15-16 a game, the ball does not stick..
Deal with it..
I don't have any issue with LMA getting his points, like I said before, he's a DREAM addition.
But you have to admit his words cast doubts on his team-mindset, what is he willing to sacrifice for the team, to win?
He said he wants his scoring average, 23 points per game. To score that, he needs many shots and high minutes, at least 17 FGA/36 mpg in regular season.
-What will happen if the Spurs have a good season, lead by 10-15 points in winning streaks, and Pop wants to sit LMA the last quarter of those games? He couldn't average 23 points if he gets less shots and play less minutes.
-What will happen if Parker is healthy and Kawhi has a great offensive season? They could force Pop to think about offensive tandems. What will happen if LMA doesn't want to share the scoring with them if that means he will get less touches and score less points? He wants his 23 ppg not 19-20.
-The Spurs need to continue improving Kawhi offensively because they won't sign a top free agent every off-season. Also LMA isn't LeBron or KD, the Spurs can't afford to become reliant on one player to score. Even having LMA as main scorer, they'll still need to have two primary scorers on the team.
What will happen if LMA doesn't want to share offense and the spotlight with Kawhi in one or two years?
-LMA doesn't want the Spurs change him. What if the Spurs want to change him into a better defender? Will he say I doesn't want to waste my energy playing hard defense 'cause I'm a scorer, "I like score"?
His words can be interpreted as confirmation that LMA really needs to be the man to get comfortable. He didn't leave Portland to win with a better team, he left Portland because he felt overshadowed, first by Brandon Roy and later by Lillard.
That makes me think that LMA was, is and will be a great teammate but...he has a fragile ego.
Others say "he'll change his mind, ppg won't be his top concern anymore"? But that's LaMarcus. And he doesn't want the Spurs change him.
Last edited by YGWHI; 08-25-2015 at 11:31 PM.
Boy, are you in for a surprise.
Spursfans gonna Spursfans.
Ime upping f*cking Ettore Messina?
I don't mind the comments. It's clear to him the Spurs have brought him in to be the #1 option. There's not many guys in the league you can give the ball to in the high or low post and tell 'em to get you a bucket late in a game. A 39 year old hall of famer cannot be the best player on a championship team as evidenced by last season's first round loss.
Crofl, who do you think is gonna be the leading scorer? LMAlpha scored 23 a game with Lill scoring a point or two less... spursfan better hope that Bill Parker isn't attempting to score anywhere near that many or it's gonna be another low seeded year. Kawhitistic probably settles in for another 16-18 as the second or third option. have to think green gets around 13-14 with expanded role player offense, Tim in the 14-16 range. Bill around 10-12 for the good of the team. Then the rest gets distributed via system to the bench players.
If Tim really wants to take it easy and rest those old bones I could see LMAlpha's scoring actually go up...
Only in Spursfans' World people about the just acquired ALL-STAR player who replaced broken Tiago Splitter because some comments about his PPG expectations. Like if Tim Duncan never played with his options in the free agency and never came close to choose the Magics over the Spurs right?
Yeah, go, bring back broken Tiago and put Spurs' offense in Enrique's hands dribble dribble. It was about time we had a player of LMA's caliber who could carry the offense during the regular season.
I said it before #55
Like Ime and Pop, I want this guy gets his shots.
With Tim and Manu aging, the Spurs were still too reliant on Parker's offense last season. Kawhi's emergence, Parker's injuries didn't force Pop to adjust it. They needed a player like LMA to make a drastic move and definitely change the offensive scheme
I'm not ing LMA, I said before I love that we got him.
I just want to know how the "my 23 ppg" will work with a stacked roster, if he's willing to work on his defense, or play less minutes, or share the offensive load next seasons...
Don't compare the 2000 offseason with 2015. Spurs winning culture in 2015?Like if Tim Duncan never played with his options in the free agency and never came close to choose the Magics over the Spurs right?.
5 rings, one of the best coaches in NBA history, the best PF in NBA history, the most successful Big 3 in NBA history, the 2014 FMVP/2015 DPOY, the shooter-record-most 3-pointers in Finals history...
Last edited by YGWHI; 08-26-2015 at 12:23 AM.
All of those "culture" accolades and still got booted in the first round. Guess they don't mean as much as you think.
This team is stacked from an all around view, it definitely is not an offensive juggaraut team. Who besides LMA can demand a double team? Even with Duncan balling out of control he wasn't doubled and when the clippers doubled Kawhi, he shut Down. Parker needs a screen to get free these days definitely ain't working a double.
First round? Well, the 2014 NBA champion had trouble to past the first round. Also the Spurs lost by 2 points in 7 games series.
It was Kawhi's first experience handling double team in playoffs.This team is stacked from an all around view, it definitely is not an offensive juggaraut team. Who besides LMA can demand a double team? Even with Duncan balling out of control he wasn't doubled and when the clippers doubled Kawhi, he shut Down. Parker needs a screen to get free these days definitely ain't working a double.
He had some problems but got better very fast, 4 great offensive games in 7 games series averaging 20.3 ppg on distributed offense team, I wouldn't say the Clippers shut him down.
Handling double team is a team effort, Kawhi found the open man several times but the shooters weren't effective.
Parker, Mills, West, Green, aren't liabilities on offense. LMA is #1 option but many players can score on this team now.
Last edited by YGWHI; 08-26-2015 at 01:38 AM.
Only some? You're being quite gracious tbh.
Look, I know you're a good poster and all, but takes like this aren't any better than the ones you're criticizing. The Spurs are the team that we follow. Things happen to that team. So yes, we're going to talk about those things and speculate as to how they will affect the team going forward.
There's plenty of reasons to be nervous about acquiring a guy who just skipped out on his old team (who quit in the playoffs along with that). That's especially true when that guy starts talking about wanting to be the focal point of the team, because 1) He hasn't won anything as a focal point and 2) The common understanding of his exit from Portland is that he didn't like being overshadowed.
So yes, the idea that LMA has a hard time learning to accept his role is a concern, because it could end up either splintering his relationship with the team or forcing the a contender to change their entire offense just to make a new guy their main player when they didn't have a problem scoring in the first place.
I don't want the Spurs to become another Portland, because Portland sucks, and the Spurs would have been better off just signing West and a fourth wing while keeping Splitter. I also don't want the Spurs to have a disgruntled max player (or worse, multiple disgruntled max players), and that happens too often to ignore. To dismiss those concerns isn't being grateful or having perspective. It's being blind to the reality that "star" acquisitions fail to significantly improve a team's fortunes at least as often as they succeed.
It's unsettling how a 30 year old who has never succeeded as a number one option, complained about being overshadowed by lillard and Roy would even ask for specific statistical numbers to a team who in the first place are already contenders and arguably a top 5 team in the NBA. Knowing that "Star" acquisitions fail often, you wonder if it's possible for this trade to make the team even worse than it was before.
Somebody should tell him he was terrible as a first option and that he's not joining a team worse than Portland.
Someone should tell you that you have terrible takes.
That was hardly a take. Just facts.
chump still getting an erection everytime he sees my username.
Uh okay.. If he puts up 23 a game Spurs barely win 50 games..
Solid take tbqh. Spurs fans brushing this off as much ado about nothing aren't looking at it objectively. He's never seemed particularly enthused about joining the team; even in his initial tweet talking about coming home as part of his motivation rather than joining the org. As I said in my initial post, this appears to be an arranged marriage built on logic. But, we should still give it time to develop. Is there a possibility it ends in disaster? Yes. But, winning cures a lot of ailments, and I suspect if the Spurs deliver a ship in his time here that'll go a long way toward him warming to the culture and fan base.
Excellent take. I'll be the first to admit that it's easy to get jaded when 90% of threads around here seem to get derailed by Parker haters, Kawhi proppers, and posters who generally just don't understand how good Spurfan really has it right now. That being said, doing nothing but calling them out isn't really raising the bar.
I'll concede that Aldridge's at ude about getting his shots and putting up X amount of points may seem contrary to the "Spurs way", particularly the one that has been established over the past 3-4 seasons. In a team that stresses moving the ball and finding the better shot above anything else, a guy who wants to be a main focus seems counterintuitive.
I could argue, though, that The Beautiful Game was born not only out of design, but also out of necessity. Tim and Manu are obviously at the point of their careers where they can't be expected to carry the team or be "that guy" all the time (although Tim still sometimes flashes the ability to do so). Parker was the heir apparent, but a combination of age, injury, and shape have made him seemingly unreliable at this point, and Kawhi is still growing into that role (and is also expected to carry the defense as well). The Spurs had to learn to share the scoring load because Kawhi and an aging Big Three could no longer keep up by themselves. But it also needs the team to be clicking on all cylinders for it to be truly effective, as evidenced by the Clippers series.
Adding another proven scorer only augments that attack, not to mention one whose game blends perfectly with the offense. It gives us more options for the starting unit which seemed to go stagnant far too often last year. And as others have noted, it gives the team a bailout to go to when the magic isn't working.
Besides, we've known since the Aldridge Sweepstakes started about his expectations; he is looking for a starring role and wants to be a main guy on a winning team. Some people may view that as selfish; I'm personally relieved to have another guy who is willing to shoulder that responsibility and has a chip on his shoulder. Let's keep in mind that he could have taken the easy route and gone to Phoenix where there is no pressure and every shot he could eat...but he didn't.
Obviously there are no guarantees that Aldridge will fit with the Spurs mantra. At this point, it's up to PATFO to manage that and figure out not only how he can fit within the system, but also figure out how the system can fit around him...and that's the way it should be when you acquire a Top 20 talent in the league. We need only to look back at Richard Jefferson to see what happens when you try to fit a square peg into a round hole. Calling out Aldridge for vocalizing his desire to play the role that the Spurs brought him in to play seems an awful lot like looking a gift horse in the mouth.
Either way, I trust in Pop not to let the San Antonio Spurs become the Portland Guests.
I don't see why people have a problem with LaMarcus claiming he'd want to be the focal point of the Spurs offense. That's exactly what he's going to be. It's pretty clear that's what he's been told by Pop and the coaching staff, so no idea why people would find it concerning at all. He'll also be extremely important defensively too in order for him and Duncan to share the floor and close games. It's not going to be his team, that'd have been Phoenix, but it's easy to see why his role on the Spurs would be more important than even Duncan's or Kawhi's.
It's not like the Spurs have played pass-it-around and share the offensive load for 20 years, they only started doing it a couple of years ago when Parker too, after Duncan and Manu, started struggling. The Spurs offense has for the most part been dependent on one really good offensive player who'd kickstart everything. Used to be Duncan in the 4-down era, then Manu and Parker with the PnR and slashing/kicking out. They'd still be looking to find the open man and the best shot but you have to have someone to start from and it looks like it's going to be LaMarcus next season.
I'm not concerned at all that he demands that role and responsibility, I'd be more concerned if he said something like : I'd just love to be a part of the offense and get whatever the defense gives me. Then people would be calling him beta, etc. It'd also be extremely poor use of an incredible talent in his prime. My concern is that he'll need to play the most focused and energy consuming defense he's ever had to and he may not have enough energy for both being the focal point of the offense and a primary PnR defender.
There is nothing wrong about getting a alpha dog type of a player, as long as they have the skill. LMA is not Cousins or Iverson, where they cross the line of being an Alpha. LMA sits right where you want a talented scorer to be. We need a player to shoulder the load when the game slows down in a tight playoff series, and we are not forcing a player like Leonard to be that player, or relying on the age of Parker, Manu, and Duncan to have enough legs for it as well. The beautiful game will become contagious for LMA and West. They are both good passes.
There maybe a fine line between being unselfishness and selfishness. We need LMA to be selfish and be the focal point of the offensive and there will be some adjusting. Is he passing too much or shooting too much? As part of Pop's crew, it is about finding that equilibrium of teaching LMA to trust his team mates while carrying us offensively.
It is the exact opposite of teaching Diaw to trust in his skill to score and not just looking for the pass. The difference is, we need the scorer.
You said 15-16. I'm thinking 20-21 on better shots than he's been taking. I never said 23, but it's not like we don't have a playbook for a scoring big back on a dusty shelf somewhere. No one called Duncan selfish when he was dropping 25 a night.
That is prime Duncan and the teams offense was basically throw the ball into the post, and play everything off Tim..
And now we have prime LMA.
The reason that the ball movement O was put in was that we no longer had that dominant night in and night out offensive player. That's no longer an issue. We have one. Seeing the way the Spurs have changed their scheme to fit the players on hand over the years, why would you expect them NOT to change when they sign a second team All NBA stud PF? That makes no sense.
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