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    He's also a very good and willing passer for his position.
    True. He's traditionally been a very good FT shooter, too although he's dropped down into the mid .700s the past 2-3 years. Coach Engelland might be able to help him boost that back up near .800 if he stays in good shape.

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    Some good points in the article but Mr. Gomez only gave one sentence to one of David West's key benefits to an offense - the "pick and pop." It's not just a weapon for when the Spurs' offense is struggling. The two-man game is huge for exploitation of match-ups and there are few pivots who have been more deadly from mid-range off a pick and pop than West. No one cared about Splitter on ball screens. West is a different story...as is Aldridge. His dead-eye midrange weakens lane congestion for the dribble-drive and punishes switches.
    Nice take.

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    Solid D...working PTC in the paint with a solid, fundamental post move...off the glass...foul...and 1.

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    I think a Diaw/West pairing would be just fine. West is a solid post player and has that mid range game, and Boris can play pretty much anywhere. The spacing will be there. Who knows, maybe we'll help him add a corner 3 to his game this season
    Nobody is worried about Diaw/West on offense. It's the defense...

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    On TD DNP-OLD nights... Boban has to play. Aldridge cannot play center for 48 minutes on any night. You can give him 40 minutes, 25 at center... that's the limit. Boban needs to play 15-20 on those nights; maybe we can get away with 5-10 minutes of small ball against the opponent's scrubs.

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    Nobody is worried about Diaw/West on offense. It's the defense...
    With the undersized (Patty), old (Manu) and slow (KA), I'm more worried about the 2nd units' perimeter defense. That said we have so much talent and so much experience in our second unit, with some promising guys in our 3rd unit as well, we should be able to simply outscore the other team's scrubs most nights.

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    Yeah, we should have told him to off when he said he'd leave 11mil on the table to get a ring.

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    With the undersized (Patty), old (Manu) and slow (KA), I'm more worried about the 2nd units' perimeter defense. That said we have so much talent and so much experience in our second unit, with some promising guys in our 3rd unit as well, we should be able to simply outscore the other team's scrubs most nights.
    I like Simmons as the backup SF instead of Anderson, who isn't really functional on either end. Also, I'm sure Danny Green plays majority of those minutes, since he likely subs out at the first official timeout break (5-6 minute mark) for Manu. When Kawhi subs out near the end of the 1st/3rd quarter, Danny returns. Eventually in the 2nd/4th, Kawhi returns for Manu, and you might see Manu for Green again depending on what Pop wants at the end of the half/game. Don't really need a 4th wing to play hardly any important minutes, barring injury.

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    The Spurs need to score more points than the other team. The idealization of how to do that will come from Popovich and his staff.

    West sharing the floor with Chandler, Hibbert, and Okafor isn't 'damning' either. It means that he has to share rebounds and weakside rotation opportunities which gives the complete opposite slant on his statistical critique. This notion that he has 'never played it before' is exactly what I am talking about. Popovich used guys like Ferry and Horry at the 5. We've seen the turd towers of Blair/Bonner/Diaw for years. West's career is double digits long and he has played long minutes doing all kinds of things. I think Pop will manage.

    In the NBA today if you want to talk about defense you need to talk about the pick and roll where West is very good. He will also step in front of drives and try to draw charges like all Spurs do. For all of the gifs the author plays West is not a coward.

    I love Baynes but Indiana would run their offense through West when it bogged down. Baynes set monster screens but half the roster was scared to pass him the ball because he was hamfisted. Baynes would also struggle out in space defending against athletic forwards. We will miss his rotations but there is more than one way to skin a cat.

    Actually having two mobile backup forwards will give Popovich a lot more looks to matchup with Duncan and Marjanovic or he could just go small like most of the NBA. If you want someone to scapegoat your Baynes angst on I recommend Boban.

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    Diaw can also play the 3 for stretches.

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    Diaw can also play the 3 for stretches.
    Probably not...but LMA will play a lot of minutes. LMA/West will be a devastating front line against most benches...and Diaw/West against small ball front lines will be effective as well.

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    I think you're wrong if you're just looking at the 2nd unit as a group that only plays with one another. Some critics and fans like yourself make it seem like Pop subs players out in groups -- that is never the case.
    I think/hope Pop will adjust to make the rest of your post true, but this statement is incorrect. Pop did 4-5 man hockey subs frequently last year. I didn't like it, and thought it wasn't good for the team to have 5 cold players enter at once.

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    The article seems to suggest the Diaw/West combo would play significant minutes against starting line-ups, which is very unlikely. They have deficiencies that are obvious but how many teams have 2nd units that could exploit them?

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    The article seems to suggest the Diaw/West combo would play significant minutes against starting line-ups, which is very unlikely. They have deficiencies that are obvious but how many teams have 2nd units that could exploit them?
    This. It was written as if West and Diaw are going to see significant minutes together against other teams starters. That might be true in specific instances but certainly won't be the norm.

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    Punding the Cck is just salty because they didn't bring back Errrs.

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    Probably not...but LMA will play a lot of minutes. LMA/West will be a devastating front line against most benches...and Diaw/West against small ball front lines will be effective as well.
    Probably so for stretches depending on matchups. Diaw is a decent ball handler and is capable of guarding some 3's. He was able to effectively guard LeBron in the 2013 finals for some decent stretches.

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    just salty because they didn't bring back Errrs.
    Jeff Ayers = Felton Spencer, Shawnelle Scott, Amal McCaskill, Mengke Bateer.

    In fact Bateer was better because he brought Jimmy Chang with him.

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    Until West even plays at least one complete game (for pete's sake) and is comfortable and knowledgeable with the Spurs system. Conclusions that he doesn't fit are just beyond re ed and stupid. It's off season and the boards are bored but that article's conclusion was just speculative crap. I think he's going to be a sensation because he wants a ring and wants to be a part of something unique and if a "Superteam" can be made and I have my doubts on this concept. David can be the first Spur with a number retired, the most rings with the fewest years as a Spurs because he really gave up a lot of cash for the opportunity. It's going to be an interesting season whatever with a highly motivated David West and team.

    Time will tell. Go Spurs GO!
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    Nobody is worried about Diaw/West on offense. It's the defense...
    I mean against most teams 2nd units, they'll be just fine. Pop will figure out what/who works with who on what end. There will be a lot of trial and error. It's going from Diaw/Baynes to Diaw/West. Duncan could even get subbed out earlier for either West/Diaw and then he can play more minutes with the 2nd unit if need be and close out games.

    There will be a lot of tinkering to be done

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    I mean against most teams 2nd units, they'll be just fine. Pop will figure out what/who works with who on what end. There will be a lot of trial and error. It's going from Diaw/Baynes to Diaw/West. Duncan could even get subbed out earlier for either West/Diaw and then he can play more minutes with the 2nd unit if need be and close out games.

    There will be a lot of tinkering to be done
    as long as that tinkering doesn't lead to a 12–9 start and 5 or 6 games behind the highest seed, we can't afford to dig ourselves a huge hole early this year like we did in past years including last year tbh

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    Jeff Ayers = Felton Spencer, Shawnelle Scott, Amal McCaskill, Mengke Bateer.

    In fact Bateer was better because he brought Jimmy Chang with him.
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    Cherokee Parks, tbh... Melvin Ely, Jackie Butler sans the ty contract

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    Can't dismiss valid concerns. All will be answered once the rodeo road trip has concluded though, possibly even sooner

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    What a salty article. David West hasn't play a single minute along Diaw and PTC is already labeling that combo as "bad". I bet the West/Diaw dupla will be pretty efficient against small ball lineups. Unlike Pop when played Jeff ing Ayres in all instances. I mean, those guys favour Pendergraph over David freaking West? That's really sad. Jesus Gomes must be one of the most lonely and deppressive writers :'(

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    Didnt read

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    2 problems with this argument. First of all, West is very strong and is a good defender who has actually improved on defense in the last 3-4 years. Second, how many quality big men with a strong post game do you seen in the 2nd unit of NBA teams?
    Not many but you do see a good number of small forwards and guards who use their driving game to get their shooting night started. After they hit a couple of lay-ups or pull up bunny shots then they are feeling it and become dangerous.... Which is why you want a fairly strong rim protector on the floor most of the time. It also helps the perimeter players alot on defense if you can funnel a drive into your friendly local big. While Splitter wasn't really a shot blocker he contest pretty well on help D and Baynes isn't bad at it. I'm actually looking forward to baynces having a bit of a break-out in detroit.

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