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    I will ask you , SnakeBoy -- given your stated reservations, what would you have done differently in an agreement with Iran?
    I didn't state any reservations. What part of what I wrote do you disagree with...Be specific.

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    I didn't state any reservations.
    So you have no reservations about this deal?

    Great. What are you trying to argue then?

    What part of what I wrote do you disagree with...Be specific.
    I can't agree or disagree with quotes given with no context -- as long as the quote is accurate, they are just someones words.

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    Germany seems to be doing okay these days.
    Germany was never a "rogue nation"

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    I like that it deals with both Plutonium and Uranium production and moves spent fuel out of Iran.

    I like that it was a multilateral agreement including China and Russia. I'm not sure such a coalition and its diplomatic and economic pressure could be put together again.

    I like that sanctions won't all be rescinded at once.
    Sounds peachy. I guess history will be the judge.

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    I can't agree or disagree with quotes given with no context -- as long as the quote is accurate, they are just someones words.
    The context is the Iran deal. What part of what I wrote are you taking issue with? Do you think what I wrote applies to the Iran deal or not? I answered two of your questions why won't you just give an answer to my question. Or better yet just say what you think about the Iran deal.

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    Sounds peachy. I guess history will be the judge.
    I will ask you again, Darrin -- given your stated reservations, what would you have done differently in an agreement with Iran?


    The context is the Iran deal. What part of what I wrote are you taking issue with? Do you think what I wrote applies to the Iran deal or not? I answered two of your questions why won't you just give an answer to my question. Or better yet just say what you think about the Iran deal.
    Actually you didn't answer my question at all and I already said what I think about the Iran deal.

    I will ask you again, since you have no stated reservations, what would you have done differently in an agreement with Iran?

    I can only assume nothing if you can't even state a reservation and just parrot quotes with no context.

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    With Obama running things the USA is screwed......Don't hate Obama .....But Obama's plan is to ruin America.......wake up sheeps cause this world is getting darker and darker......Its a good time to get right with the Lord....Forgive your sins ...Repent cause Jesus Christ is COMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Don't know the day,time,or hour......Jesus is coming back....Tell everybody the good NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!Jesus Christ is COMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!You want to be saved than get closer with GOD cause he loves us all.....Praise the lord Jesus Christ....all Power and Glory to GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!May god bless everyone.......wake up brothers and sisters...before its too late

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    With Obama running things the USA is screwed......Don't hate Obama .....But Obama's plan is to ruin America.......wake up sheeps cause this world is getting darker and darker......Its a good time to get right with the Lord....Forgive your sins ...Repent cause Jesus Christ is COMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Don't know the day,time,or hour......Jesus is coming back....Tell everybody the good NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!Jesus Christ is COMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!You want to be saved than get closer with GOD cause he loves us all.....Praise the lord Jesus Christ....all Power and Glory to GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!May god bless everyone.......wake up brothers and sisters...before its too late
    AMEN!!!

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    Bill: "“The United States and international inspectors will carefully monitor North Korea to make sure it keeps its commitments. Only as it does so will North Korea fully join the community of nations.”



    Obama: "International inspectors will have unprecedented access not only to Iranian nuclear facilities, but to the entire supply chain that supports Iran’s nuclear program -- from uranium mills that provide the raw materials, to the centrifuge production and storage facilities that support the program. If Iran cheats, the world will know it. Blah blah blah. ... It demonstrates that if Iran complies with its international obligations, then it can fully rejoin the community of nations."
    Pyongyang acted after declaring it would leave six-party talks on completing nuclear disarmament in the country and reactivate a plant that makes bomb-grade plutonium in response to a UN rebuke over its launching of a long-range rocket.
    "(North Korea) has today informed IAEA inspectors in the Yongbyon facility that it is immediately ceasing all cooperation with the IAEA," Marc Vidricaire, a UN spokesman, said in a statement.
    N Korea failed because they pulled out of the agreement unilaterally.

    It's typical neocon stupidity to conflate the two.

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    Well, he's got the votes. Working on a filibuster total for the Senate debate now.

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    N Korea failed because they pulled out of the agreement unilaterally.
    Neither the DPRK nor the US lived up to the terms of their framework.

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    See, it's a *deal.* There are examples of other *deals* that have not worked out. Therefore, all *deals* are bad. Because *deal* = bad. Simple math. Details are unnecessary.

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    Did you guys lose your over the SALT talks too?

    Did you call for Reagan's impeachment when he gave missiles to the radical Muslim Iranians?

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    Neither the DPRK nor the US lived up to the terms of their framework.
    How do you figure that? The UN security council condemned a launch. That is what caused the renege.

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    How do you figure that? The UN security council condemned a launch. That is what caused the renege.
    I'm talking about the Clinton era framework/bribery agreement. They missed a bunch of deadlines for disclosure and inspections and we skipped a bunch of grain shipments and it all just went away.

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    Color me surprised. I thought he wouldn't be able to round up the votes.

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    They are the number one financier of terrorism. Try to stay current.
    Yeah, because the United States never funds terrorism to further our own interests


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    I'm talking about the Clinton era framework/bribery agreement. They missed a bunch of deadlines for disclosure and inspections and we skipped a bunch of grain shipments and it all just went away.
    I would have to look into that. I do think the Clinton administration is the most overrated 20th century presidency.

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    Color me surprised. I thought he wouldn't be able to round up the votes.
    Color me un-surprised.

    Coming from a guy who thinks climate scientists are still divided on an issue in which they are united, including the entire world population outside of 20% of the knuckle-dragging right-wing crazy party of the USA. Considering July 2015 was the hottest month on record in human history and the obvious affects we are seeing from global warming such as the unprecedented drought and raging wild fires in Cali. But yeah, your "opinion" is so valued on this topic. We just need some more research! Can't actually do anything about the massive warming of the planet until "MOAR RESEARCH" is done.

    Idiot.

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    3 more Senate Democrats back Iran deal

    Three more Democratic senators announced their endorsement of the Iran nuclear pact today, creating a 41-vote firewall of support, but it remains unclear if Democrats will use their numbers to filibuster and block a vote on a GOP-backed resolution of disapproval.


    Ron Wyden of Oregon, Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut and Gary Peters of Michigan announced they will back the deal. President Obama has all but locked up support to sustain a veto of the disapproval resolution in both the House and Senate, but the Democratic senators now backing the president could deny opponents the 60-vote threshold needed to advance the measure to the White House.

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/la-na-iran-obama-support-20150908-story.html

    Obama just kicked all y'all stinky redneck asses, AGAIN!


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    3 more Senate Democrats back Iran deal

    Three more Democratic senators announced their endorsement of the Iran nuclear pact today, creating a 41-vote firewall of support, but it remains unclear if Democrats will use their numbers to filibuster and block a vote on a GOP-backed resolution of disapproval.


    Ron Wyden of Oregon, Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut and Gary Peters of Michigan announced they will back the deal. President Obama has all but locked up support to sustain a veto of the disapproval resolution in both the House and Senate, but the Democratic senators now backing the president could deny opponents the 60-vote threshold needed to advance the measure to the White House.

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/la-na-iran-obama-support-20150908-story.html

    Obama just kicked all y'all stinky redneck asses, AGAIN!


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    Why is splits ranting about AGW in this thread

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    Republican Lawrence Wilkerson on Cheney: 'This is a man who's lost his mind'

    Chris Hayes included a Fox News clip where Chris Wallace reminded a willful history revising Cheney that during the Bush/Cheney administration Iran went from 0 to 5,000 centrifuges. Wallace suggested that Cheney left a mess for the Obama administration.

    Republican Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, chief of staff to Secretary of State General Colin Powell, was introduced. (Colin Powell endorsed the Iran Nuclear agreement this weekend.) Chris Hayes asked Wilkerson about Cheney's apocalyptic warning about the Iran deal. Lawrence Wilkerson did not mince words.


    "I have been searching for a single word that would describe Cheney," Wilkerson said. "And I am afraid the only one that I can think of is 'insanity'. It's a deliberate, it's a methodical, it's a lucid, often lucid insanity. But it is insanity nonetheless. He can't recognize reality. He can't recognize the truth. The good thing Chris, for this country is that Independents, Republicans, and Democrats wish he would just go away now. He has almost no influence. You saw the influence he has virtually by numbers. Those at the AEI today that listened to his speech, that's about it."


    Cheney's speech at AEI was interrupted by a Code Pink protester.


    Lawrence Wilkerson pointed out that Cheney was once a brilliant strategist. He said Cheney changed after nine eleven. "All of a sudden he's turned into this person who cannot recognize reality," Wilkerson said. "I can't explain it. Maybe its physiological. Maybe it's biological. Maybe 9/11 did something to him. ... He is simply devoid of reason and he doesn't recognize reality anymore."


    Wilkerson went on to make the point that Cheney was using the same fear-mongering technique used by Joseph McCarty.

    At the end Wilkerson makes the Defense Industrial Complex / Cheney association.


    "Cheney is a millionaire now," Wilkerson said. "So maybe I am assuming his insanity and maybe I am wrong. Maybe he sees this as a way, as a route to success and it turned out to be profitable. His personal finances now are quite well established. He is a multi-millionaire.

    This is a man who in 1998, Chris, said most forcefully as CEO of Halliburton, that sanctions were not working, that they wouldn't work unless they were comprehensive and international. And he wanted to do deals with Iran. And so he was bashing sanctions up one wall and down the other. This is a man who's lost his mind."

    Any more question about Cheney or his motives?


    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/0...d?detail=email

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    Senate just killed the vote on the veto. Barry kickin ass

    and head Cheney, GFY

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