while digging up the Palin maverick clip for the trump thread, i came across this gem
2:17 response to "do you support gay marriage":
biden: no. barack obama nor i support redefining from a civil side what cons utes marriage
but because of SCOTUS obama is now the champion of the gays
Unlike the stupid Repugs, the Dems have aligned themselves, over the PAST EIGHT YEARS, with We The People, who overwhelmingly support same-sex marriage.while digging up the Palin maverick clip for the trump thread, i came across this gem
2:17 response to "do you support gay marriage":
biden: no. barack obama nor i support redefining from a civil side what cons utes marriage
but because of SCOTUS obama is now the champion of the gays
true. better to shape up/flip-flop to modern times than not to. still find it funny
If you had been paying attention, the whole country, esp the "progressive" military, has moved very rapidly on LGBT rights, protections, and on marijuana. The Repugs always in retrograde mode being pulled backwards by the Taliban Bible humpers, and worse.
So quickly its breathtaking!
Not.
Predictably, Blake the cuck is radio silent about this.
to be fair, john oliver hasn't done a segment about it yet
now that jon stewart and colbert have been off the air, he's running short on talking points/material
That's a weird story about the flight attendant since they had already worked out an accommodation.
Kinda sets it apart from the Kentucky case. Not a great comparison at the detailed level.
I've never seen a public election for flight attendant, no.
My opinions really mean a lot to you guys, huh.
I'm not sure what you're waiting for me to say. If stewardess can't serve drinks then she needs to find a new line of work.
Not sure how she didn't understand that was part of the job during her peanut passing out training.
Christian does something bigoted: Blakeold is all over it, starting a thread about it and posting over 50 times in it
Muslim does something bigoted: Blakeold has to be shamed into responding with faint pla udes
Fake atheist
breaks down totally since one is a public official sworn to follow the law and the other is an employee of a private corporation.
my link showed the states are all over the place legally about whether private employees can refuse to work for made-up-bull reasons.
Lol shamed. Do you think I'm a Muslim? I don't get your rant about me tbh.Christian does something bigoted: Blakeold is all over it, starting a thread about it and posting over 50 times in it
Muslim does something bigoted: Blakeold has to be shamed into responding with faint pla udes
If her beliefs were so strong why did they allow her to take the flight attendant job in the first place....fire her ass along with Kim Davis...
Schools are closed in that podunk jail town to facilitate Christian traffic as persecuted KY jelly brains Christians go to persecute the jail house.
I wonder if the cops will gas and club them, roll out the MRAPs, water cannon, riot-equipped cops, have snipers on roofs?
You're a typical libcuck who loathes Christianity but makes every excuse known to man for radical Islam.
Lol that's funny. Show me one of the excuses you're referring to.
Christian idiot: thread started within five minutes of the story breaking, 50+ posts in it
Muslim idiot:"I'm not sure what you want me to say, guys!"
Lol that's funny because you're the one crying here. Show me where I made one excuse, let alone every excuse for the Muslim stewardess.Christian idiot: thread started within five minutes of the story breaking, 50+ posts in it
Muslim idiot:
Of course they are.GOP hopefuls to visit Kim Davis
....Huckabee believes Davis is being persecuted for her religious beliefs. He will attend a rally on her behalf along with her attorney, a pastor and anti-gay marriage lobbyists on Tuesday afternoon. "Kim's stand for religious liberty is a pivotal moment in our nation's history. Will we continue to pretend as though the Supreme Court is the 'Supreme Branch'*with the authority*and ability to*make laws? It most certainly is not,"*Huckabee wrote in an op-ed. Huckabee began a pe ion to release Davis on his website. His site does not make public how many signatures the pe ion received.
*Cruz*does not plan to attend Huckabee's rally. He will meet with Davis privately.**
Christian does something bigoted: Blakeold is all over it, starting a thread about it and posting over 50 times in it
Muslim does something bigoted: Blakeold has to be shamed into responding with faint pla udes
Have you expressed your opinion about either of these cases, CN?Christian idiot: thread started within five minutes of the story breaking, 50+ posts in it
Muslim idiot:
I'd like to read them if you have links.
5 Myths About Kentucky County Clerk Kim Davis
Many questions, rumors, and talking points from both sides have confused the matter. Here are five myths about where things stand for Davis, and why you shouldn’t be fooled by them:
Myth #1: Marriage licenses issued without Davis’ signature are invalid.
When U.S. District Court Judge David Bunning held Davis in contempt last week, he gave her a pretty generous offer: he would save her from jail if she simply allowed her deputies to issue the marriage licenses. She refused, and the deputies began issuing the licenses on Friday anyway. There is a question, however — that even Bunning acknowledged — as to whether the licenses are valid without her name on it.
Certainly her lawyers, the grandstanding Liberty Counsel, have insisted that the licenses are “void.”According to Liberty Counsel head Mat Staver, “They are not worth the paper that they are written on.” This narrative certainly keeps the stakes high for his client and makes it seem like there is merit to refusal to participate in issuing licenses.
However, a simple sentence found in Kentucky law seems to clear things up. According to statute 61.035, “Any duty enjoined by law or by the Rules of Civil Procedure upon a ministerial officer, and any act permitted to be done by him, may be performed by his lawful deputy.” If Davis can issue licenses, so can her deputies. There is little to suggest that these licenses would or could ever be rejected as legal and binding.
Myth #2: Davis is just like all of the officials who refused to enforce or defend bans on same-sex marriage.
While some conservatives like Rep. Steve King (R-IA) have compared Davis to the likes of Rosa Parks, many marriage equality opponents are instead juxtaposing her with the many officials who either ignored or refused to defend state bans on same-sex marriage.
The Heritage Foundation’s Daily Signal STINK TANK! published a list of 10 such comparisons last week, eight of whom were governors or attorneys general who refused to defend their state bans from challenges in court. All of those eight officials had a sworn duty to the U.S. Cons ution, which motivated their decisions not to defend the bans, decisions that were totally within the discretion of their positions. They all still enforced the bans in the meantime.
Heritage offered only two examples of individuals who actually refused to enforce a same-sex marriage ban, neither of whom compare to Davis. One was D. Bruce Hanes, the Register of Wills in Montgomery County, Pennsylvania. In 2013, a year before Pennsylvania’s ban on same-sex marriage was overturned, he began issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples. Eventually, a state judge ordered him to stop issuing licenses. Hanes appealed, but followed the ruling.
The other example was former San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom, who issued over 3,000 marriage licenses to same-sex couples in early 2004 despite California’s ban on same-sex marriage still being in place. Newsom called Mike Huckabee out on Twitter this weekend for defending Davis and the two rehashed Newsome’s actions in 2004. Newsom made the point that though it’s true he violated California law — “because we believed the law at that time violated equal protection clause of cons ution” — once the court ordered him to stop issuing licenses, he did. “I was never in contempt of court — unlike Kim Davis.”
Contempt is what makes Davis unique. She wasn’t exercising discretion as empowered by her position, and when the court ordered her to obey the law, she disobeyed. That is why she is in jail.
Myth #3: Kentucky could accommodate Davis without forcing her to resign.
The Heritage Foundation’s Ryan T. Anderson STINKER! opined in a New York Times op-ed Monday that the state of Kentucky could have helped accommodate Davis so that she didn’t have to choose jail. He first blamed the Supreme Court for its marriage equality ruling — as he is wont to do — but then suggested that Gov. Steven Beshear (D) didn’t do what he could when requiring state officials to abide by the Obergefell ruling. This would have required calling the Kentucky legislature back for a special session to pass legislation changing how marriage licenses are issued. Davis has filed her own suit against Beshear claiming that he should be blamed for any problem she faces related to her inability to issue licenses.
Anderson praised a North Carolina law passed before the Supreme Court decisions — and over the governor’s veto — allowing magistrate judges to refuse to officiating marriages. “Perhaps a similar solution could be found in Kentucky,” Anderson wrote, “by removing an individual clerk’s name and le from a marriage license.”
But as the Huffington Post’s Michelangelo Signorile countered, North Carolina’s law wouldn’t have actually protected Davis if mimicked in Kentucky. That law only protected those judges who officiate the marriages, not the clerks who file the paperwork. Anderson also ignores that 32 judges have opted out, which has limited the issuing of licenses in some counties to a narrow window of just ten hours per week, inconveniencing many couples.
If anything, Anderson’s example reminds just how weak Davis’ case is. As Bunning explained in his original ruling against her, Davis’ job in no way requires her to “condone or endorse same-sex marriage” in any way. “It simply asks the county clerk to certify that the information provided is accurate and that the couple is qualified to marry under Kentucky law.” In other words, Davis’ primary responsibility is paperwork and filing, not authorizing or officiating.
If any official who refused to simply acknowledge the legal existence of same-sex marriage had to be accommodated, it could greatly undermine Obergefell‘s guarantee that same-sex couples have access to “civil marriage on the same terms and conditions as opposite-sex couples.”
Myth #4: Gov. Beshear can do something to remedy Davis’ predicament.
On Monday, Davis filed a new appeal in her suit against Gov. Beshear, claiming that his “mandate” on issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples should be put on hold.
But Beshear did not issue a mandate; he simply issued guidance for implementing Obergefell. Specifically, the letter he sent to county clerks explains, “Neither your oath nor the Supreme Court dictates what you must believe. But as as elected officials, they do prescribe how we must act.”
Davis’ attorneys at the Liberty Counsel allege that Beshear “has refused to take elementary steps to accommodate Davis’ undisputed sincerely-held religious beliefs about marriage.” But, ignoring Bunning’s qualifiers, they claim that she has been “coerced” to “authorize and personally approve” same-sex marriage. Thus, they argue that the federal courts should block Beshear’s “mandate,” which would hypothetically entail pausing same-sex marriage across the entire state.
All of the solutions would either require someone else to do Davis’ job (such as “deputizing a neighboring county clerk” to issue licenses in her county) or a legislative revision of how marriage licenses are issued in Kentucky (such as modifying the form to remove her name). Some of them, like deeming her “absent” so that the chief executive of the county can issue the licenses, have already been rejected by Bunning, who pointed out that “this is certainly a creative interpretation,” but “Davis offers no legal precedent to support it.”
The Liberty Counsel has painted Beshear as the individual somehow capable of accommodating Davis, but all that he did was implement Obergefell as the law of the land, and he certainly can’t unilaterally overturn that.
Myth #5: Conservatives can help free Kim Davis.
On Tuesday, Mike Huckabee will join the Family Research Council (FRC), National Organization for Marriage (NOM), and Concerned Women for American in an #ImWithKim “Liberty Rally” at the Carter County Detention Center where Davis is being held. One of the speakers will be Pastor Joshua Feuerstein, who in July encouraged Christians to oppose same-sex marriage by remembering that “my First Amendment right is guaranteed by my Second Amendment right.” Several schools have closed to accommodate the traffic congestion the rally is expected to cause.
NOM has launched a pe ion supporting Kim Davis and has started a crowdsourcing fund to raise money for Davis, because “we cannot turn our back on people like Kim Davis who show incredible courage to stand up to the powerful elite who insist that we abandon the truth of marriage.” Under the subject line “Help free Kim Davis from jail,” FRC similarly invited supporters to sign a pe ion to Beshear “asking him to issue an accommodation to Kim Davis allowing her to live and work according to her beliefs.”
In an op-ed Tuesday at Fox News, Huckabee seems stunned that the law authorizes Davis “to issue sexual couples a marriage license.” He complains that she was not offered bail, but there is no such thing as bail when a person is in contempt of court. “I refuse to sit silently as our Cons ution is torched and the courts violate our fundamental rights,” he wrote. “We did not fight a revolution against the tyranny of one unelected monarch so we could surrender our freedoms and abandon our Cons ution to the tyranny of five unaccountable, unelected lawyers.”
But all that these conservatives are doing is building their membership lists in hopes of later fundraising money for themselves. As Huckabee reveals, their fight is still with the Supreme Court’s ruling, not anyone in Kentucky, and there is no conceivable path for them to actually overturnObergefell.
Tuesday’s rally will probably galvanize even more of the incendiary anti-gay rhetoric that has already been common among Davis’ supporters — like “ love is hate” — but it won’t actually change Davis’ fate. She is in violation of a federal court order, and her choices remain to follow it, resign so that she is not obligated to do so, or remain in jail until her term is up and someone is elected to replace her as county clerk.
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/0...m-davis-myths/
America's Most Convenient Bank® refuses to serve Christians
American Atheists, Inc. President, Dave Silverman and Managing Director, Amanda Knief were refused service yesterday by an assistant manager at TD Bank in Cranford, New Jersey.
In a statement released on the American Atheists Facebook page, Knief said, “I was just refused service — because I am an atheist. It was embarrassing, humiliating, and pissed me off.”
According to Knief:
A notary at a local bank, where I have gone more than a dozen times to have work do ents signed, asked me to explain what we were having notarized. The do ents were charitable organizations registrations for American Atheists in several states. So I told her what AA is about.
After learning the nature of the organization and the do ents requiring notarization the bank manager refused to witness the signatures on the do ents. She interrupted another employee’s lunch to come do the authentications.Knief says:
I have been called names, threatened, hated on and all manner of ridiculed because of my atheist activism, but I think sitting in a bank and having another professional refuse to do business with me because I am an atheist was the worst slight I have ever received.In New Jersey, notaries are not required to abide by any code of conduct or ethics that prevents them from refusing service to people based on "personal reasons." Even though we had a valid, legal do ent and valid, legal identification--she was legally able to refuse me service.
Her description of the incident was confirmed shortly afterwards by David Silverman in a follow-up post.
“Yup. We just got refused notary services because we are atheists from the Assistant Store Manager at TD near our office. No, we are not moving our business there, at least not until this is rectified.”
https://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/...s?detail=email
Christian Taliban ing America up.
His do ents got notarized so he wasn't refused service.
sucker has used them over a dozen times to get do ents notarized for free, he doesn't even bank there, they still notarized his do ents and now he wants to make a big fuss over it.
WTF?
Doesn't sound like a victim, sounds like an asshole.
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