Manu Ginobili 29 points in 13 shots against Team USA............

[Kuestmaster]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=240127

[milkyway21]

Is this the same Manu Ginobili many of you haters here calling to retire?

[apalisoc_9]

Is this the same Manu Ginobili many of you haters here calling to retire?

babae ka o lalaki?

[hater]

lol overrating that performance by Manu, that USA team was ed up, also lost to Puerto Rico and Lithuania...

short bus falls into the bay

[hater]

Carlos Arroyo should be in the HOF

[100%duncan]

The truthbomb wow

[Phenomanul]

lol overrating that performance by Manu, that USA team was ed up, also lost to Puerto Rico and Lithuania...

Manu-led team Argentina did it first during the 2002 World Championships... and on US soil, no less.

[hater]

Manu-led team Argentina did it first during the 2002 World Championships... and on US soil, no less.

So did Vlade Divac

[313]

lol 12 turnovers in two games which directly lead to us losing those two games and the series after we were up 3-2

lol fouling dirk

lol letting D Fish hit .04

[hater]

20 points vs. Team USA for the gold medal

ma Peja Stojakovic

[Kawhitstorm]

lol 12 turnovers in two games which directly lead to us losing those two games and the series after we were up 3-2

lol fouling dirk

lol letting D Fish hit .04

I guess we should start judging everyone based on their worst day of their career, how shallow.

[Kawhitstorm]

So did Vlade Divac

Kevin McBride also TKO'd Tyson after Buster knocked out the big bully on the block.

[Trill Clinton]

[NameLess Scrub]

That was the worst USA team in about 30 years. A horribly assembled roster. You can't win games when AI is the PG, Marbury SG, RJ at the 3, Odom at the 4, and Duncan at center. 4 out of the 5 players in the starting line up are trash. I hate when people scream and say that team had Lebron,Wade,Carmelo. What they all forget is those 3 were very young and not polished yet at that time. It's as stupid as Laker fans who scream that Parker and Ginobili were all-star players from the start.

That USA team was just a bad shooting team. Puerto Rico just played zone and had actually good shooters.
Duncan was trying to post the entire Puertorican zone at times.

In hindsight, RJ sounds horrible.. but he was hot at that point in time. It was just a poorly constructed team imo.

[Kawhitstorm]

That USA team was just a bad shooting team. Puerto Rico just played zone and had actually good shooters.
Duncan was trying to post the entire Puertorican zone at times.

In hindsight, RJ sounds horrible.. but he was hot at that point in time. It was just a poorly constructed team imo.

Lack of shooting is what killed the team b/c there was no spacing whatsoever.

[daslicer]

Who cares? Had USA won the championship and people would be telling you how great they were with Lebron Wang and Fartmelo killing their oponents, Cerberus at his best.
Team USA BB is not about good strategy or IQ they play like a god damn all star game, the only reason they win 98% of the time is because they are more athletic than his opponents by a mile or they are juiced ( I dont really care ) the best example is the 2012 finals vs Spain in London, that game was terrible and it showed how much coach K sucks.

Its about strategy more then you think. The US basketball committee was pretty arrogant at the start of the '00s with that type of thinking which was "We can put together any group of NBA players even second tier players and we will win the game easily because the rest of the world talent wise is immensely inferior." It was strategy in '04 that cost team USA from not winning. Nobody could hit open shots and it resulted in the opposition playing zones against the US every game. The spacing was also terrible because guys couldn't hit shots and you had a bunch of low IQ players who didn't know how to space the floor properly to break the zone. Also Lebron,Wade,Melo were all coming off their rookie season so again its pretty stupid to act like they were already great players. Strategy is a reason why each USA team after the '04 and '06 debacles were constructed to have atleast a few guys who can hit 3's, a few playmakers, and a few defensive specialists. Its a combination of superior athleticism and IQ/fundamentals that allows the US to dominate the world. When the US only has athleticism and no IQ/fundamentals they lose ala '02,'04,'06.

Also I don't really respect the '04 Argentina team considering they got curb stomped by a '03 USA team whose roster was overall better than the '04 team. They lucked out playing the inferior '04 USA team.

[Mikeanaro]

Its about strategy more then you think. The US basketball committee was pretty arrogant at the start of the '00s with that type of thinking which was "We can put together any group of NBA players even second tier players and we will win the game easily because the rest of the world talent wise is immensely inferior." It was strategy in '04 that cost team USA from not winning. Nobody could hit open shots and it resulted in the opposition playing zones against the US every game. The spacing was also terrible because guys couldn't hit shots and you had a bunch of low IQ players who didn't know how to space the floor properly to break the zone. Also Lebron,Wade,Melo were all coming off their rookie season so again its pretty stupid to act like they were already great players. Strategy is a reason why each USA team after the '04 and '06 debacles were constructed to have atleast a few guys who can hit 3's, a few playmakers, and a few defensive specialists. Its a combination of superior athleticism and IQ/fundamentals that allows the US to dominate the world. When the US only has athleticism and no IQ/fundamentals they lose ala '02,'04,'06.

Also I don't really respect the '04 Argentina team considering they got curb stomped by a '03 USA team whose roster was overall better than the '04 team. They lucked out playing the inferior '04 USA team.

As I said before nobody cares, dude was no one hit wonder, he won in Europe (finals MVP), in the Arg NT, in the NBA more than once, thats a lot more than Tony Porker or that scrub Sto ovic could do.
Also there is no strategy in Team USA, its a ty summer team assembled in two weeks and their main weapon is monkeyballing as I said before the perfect example is the 2012 finals vs Spain, but because they are so athletic they get away with the win, and when they shoot like things like ´04 happens.
Kobe saved team USA from humilliation in 2012 vs Spain, he had the balls and the shots were good, if not lol what a turd team.

[kaji157]

Whatever, this forum has an idiotic fight on who or which player is more important to the team or has accomplished more.
I think, as both players approach the end of their careers, that the NBA public and basketballs fans worldwide will be the judge who was the better player o who will have a bigger legacy.

Both are different kind of players, Parker was during most of his career a player that relied on being a part of a team and execute within his limits. And was very good at it. Ginobili, on the other hand was a players that always tried to do more of what he was suppoused to do, and he had great moments (playoffs in general) and bad ones (2006 and 2014 most notable).

If you ask me, i believe Ginobili´s accomplishmets will last longer on the general public than Parker´s.

[tholdren]

Jesus that guy is re ed

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Rk	Player	From	To	G	MP	PER	TS%	3PAr	FTr	ORB%	DRB%	TRB%	AST%	STL%	BLK%	TOV%	USG%		OWS	DWS	WS	WS/48		OBPM	DBPM	BPM	VORP
1	Manu Ginobili	2003	2015	187	5492	19.8	.580	.407	.465	3.0	13.7	8.4	23.1	2.5	0.8	15.7	24.8		11.4	7.9	19.3	.169		4.0	1.4	5.4	10.2
2	Tony Parker	2002	2015	203	7216	16.9	.514	.106	.282	1.7	8.2	5.0	27.6	1.4	0.2	13.2	27.6		6.7	6.0	12.7	.085		0.8	-0.7	0.0	3.7

Yep, stats make them real close.... NOT

[daslicer]

As I said before nobody cares, dude was no one hit wonder, he won in Europe (finals MVP), in the Arg NT, in the NBA more than once, thats a lot more than Tony Porker or that scrub Sto ovic could do.
Also there is no strategy in Team USA, its a ty summer team assembled in two weeks and their main weapon is monkeyballing as I said before the perfect example is the 2012 finals vs Spain, but because they are so athletic they get away with the win, and when they shoot like things like ´04 happens.
Kobe saved team USA from humilliation in 2012 vs Spain, he had the balls and the shots were good, if not lol what a turd team.

You care a lot that's why you keep screaming nobody cares. Again you keep on deflecting its about strategy you just said it when you said it if they can't hit shots they lose. That was pretty much the strategy of the world which was to play zone every game since team USA had zero shooters. The USA basketball committee countered like I said before by making sure future teams would have a guys who could hit open shots, along with having a team with play makers, and defensive specialists which the '04 squad lacked. Can you name anybody on the '04 squad that had those type of skills? If there is no strategy necessary for the US to win these games then why did lose in '02,'04,'06 and what was the difference in '08,'10,'12? Strategy is the reason why Coach K has taken in interest in Kawhi due to Kawhi's defensive skill set despite not being a great scorer like the other top players at the SF spot.

Manu was a great player in Europe and your right he was the MVP in the Euroleague but that Argentina team was a one hit wonder considering the same team lost to an '03 team USA that had a much better roster. Like I said before they got curbstomped by the '03 squad. Argentina taking out USA wasn't a big accomplishment considering this was the worst USA team in the last 30 years. The '04 squad not only lost to Argentina but lost to Spain,Serbia, and a squad in Puerto Rico. Props to Manu for taking advantage of a ty team. Honestly this isn't really about team USA but more so your intense hatred for Tony Parker. I personally don't care which player had a better legacy when it comes to Parker vs Manu but at the same time I see no point to belittle one's accomplishments to prop up the other.

[Sean Cagney]

You care a lot that's why you keep screaming nobody cares. Again you keep on deflecting its about strategy you just said it when you said it if they can't hit shots they lose. That was pretty much the strategy of the world which was to play zone every game since team USA had zero shooters. The USA basketball committee countered like I said before by making sure future teams would have a guys who could hit open shots, along with having a team with play makers, and defensive specialists which the '03 squad lacked. Can you name anybody on the '03 squad that had those type of skills? If there is no strategy necessary for the US to win these games then why did lose in '02,'04,'06 and what was the difference in '08,'10,'12? Strategy is the reason why Coach K has taken in interest in Kawhi due to Kawhi's defensive skill set despite not being a great scorer like the other top players at the SF spot.

Manu was a great player in Europe and your right he was the MVP in the Euroleague but that Argentina team was a one hit wonder considering the same team lost to an '03 team USA that had a much better roster. Like I said before they got curbstomped by the '03 squad. Argentina taking out USA wasn't a big accomplishment considering this was the worst USA team in the last 30 years. The '04 squad not only lost to Argentina but lost to Spain,Serbia, and a squad in Puerto Rico. Props to Manu for taking advantage of a ty team. Honestly this isn't really about team USA but more so your intense hatred for Tony Parker. I personally don't care which player had a better legacy when it comes to Parker vs Manu but at the same time I see no point to belittle one's accomplishments to prop up the other.

They ed up bigtime by dropping out of the Olympics as far as players went because that 03 team as constructed easily would have won the Gold IMO. Kidd dropped out and then Kobe and Shaq too, that team was just seriously flawed as far as construction went in 04 and honestly Lebron, Wade etc. were just too young then and not their later selves. I agree with what you said and props to them, great team constructed no doubt and played well together. I remember the 02 world games too and they played pretty well, very solid team and got a few medals to boot so I don't think they were just one hit wonders being they were together for a while and got a few medals.

I agree on the last part too, they are both Spurs so why down one just to up the other? Some are just players fans in here it seems or pull for the guy from their country and surely won't be around as a Spurs fan when they retire (I can see that now).

[pgardn]

You care a lot that's why you keep screaming nobody cares. Again you keep on deflecting its about strategy you just said it when you said it if they can't hit shots they lose. That was pretty much the strategy of the world which was to play zone every game since team USA had zero shooters. The USA basketball committee countered like I said before by making sure future teams would have a guys who could hit open shots, along with having a team with play makers, and defensive specialists which the '03 squad lacked. Can you name anybody on the '03 squad that had those type of skills? If there is no strategy necessary for the US to win these games then why did lose in '02,'04,'06 and what was the difference in '08,'10,'12? Strategy is the reason why Coach K has taken in interest in Kawhi due to Kawhi's defensive skill set despite not being a great scorer like the other top players at the SF spot.

Manu was a great player in Europe and your right he was the MVP in the Euroleague but that Argentina team was a one hit wonder considering the same team lost to an '03 team USA that had a much better roster. Like I said before they got curbstomped by the '03 squad. Argentina taking out USA wasn't a big accomplishment considering this was the worst USA team in the last 30 years. The '04 squad not only lost to Argentina but lost to Spain,Serbia, and a squad in Puerto Rico. Props to Manu for taking advantage of a ty team. Honestly this isn't really about team USA but more so your intense hatred for Tony Parker. I personally don't care which player had a better legacy when it comes to Parker vs Manu but at the same time I see no point to belittle one's accomplishments to prop up the other.

You are trying to present valid arguments to the absolute worst posters on this board.

Godspeed.

[Mikeanaro]

You care a lot that's why you keep screaming nobody cares. Again you keep on deflecting its about strategy you just said it when you said it if they can't hit shots they lose. That was pretty much the strategy of the world which was to play zone every game since team USA had zero shooters. The USA basketball committee countered like I said before by making sure future teams would have a guys who could hit open shots, along with having a team with play makers, and defensive specialists which the '04 squad lacked. Can you name anybody on the '04 squad that had those type of skills? If there is no strategy necessary for the US to win these games then why did lose in '02,'04,'06 and what was the difference in '08,'10,'12? Strategy is the reason why Coach K has taken in interest in Kawhi due to Kawhi's defensive skill set despite not being a great scorer like the other top players at the SF spot.

Manu was a great player in Europe and your right he was the MVP in the Euroleague but that Argentina team was a one hit wonder considering the same team lost to an '03 team USA that had a much better roster. Like I said before they got curbstomped by the '03 squad. Argentina taking out USA wasn't a big accomplishment considering this was the worst USA team in the last 30 years. The '04 squad not only lost to Argentina but lost to Spain,Serbia, and a squad in Puerto Rico. Props to Manu for taking advantage of a ty team. Honestly this isn't really about team USA but more so your intense hatred for Tony Parker. I personally don't care which player had a better legacy when it comes to Parker vs Manu but at the same time I see no point to belittle one's accomplishments to prop up the other.

Its not about me taking it personally or something like that, is about Ginobili playing with mediocre players who at the end of the road they never had a good NBA career maybe Scola but the others stank like an old sock... playing versus much better players and they lost twice.
The difference was they replaced those monkeyballers with better monkeyballers, guys like Kobe, CP3, Dwert everybody was really hungry to get USA honor back.
ARG already beat USA in 2002 so because they didnt do it in 2003 they suck? Two hit wonder
Tony Porker can have an injury right now while eating a hamburger, nobody argues Manu is the better player but it seems a small bunch of re s here wants to preach about Porker all day thats the problem.

[Mikeanaro]

You are trying to present valid arguments to the absolute worst posters on this board.

Godspeed.

Feel the same about you, eat your ham sandy.

[NameLess Scrub]

You care a lot that's why you keep screaming nobody cares. Again you keep on deflecting its about strategy you just said it when you said it if they can't hit shots they lose. That was pretty much the strategy of the world which was to play zone every game since team USA had zero shooters. The USA basketball committee countered like I said before by making sure future teams would have a guys who could hit open shots, along with having a team with play makers, and defensive specialists which the '04 squad lacked. Can you name anybody on the '04 squad that had those type of skills? If there is no strategy necessary for the US to win these games then why did lose in '02,'04,'06 and what was the difference in '08,'10,'12? Strategy is the reason why Coach K has taken in interest in Kawhi due to Kawhi's defensive skill set despite not being a great scorer like the other top players at the SF spot.

Manu was a great player in Europe and your right he was the MVP in the Euroleague but that Argentina team was a one hit wonder considering the same team lost to an '03 team USA that had a much better roster. Like I said before they got curbstomped by the '03 squad. Argentina taking out USA wasn't a big accomplishment considering this was the worst USA team in the last 30 years. The '04 squad not only lost to Argentina but lost to Spain,Serbia, and a squad in Puerto Rico. Props to Manu for taking advantage of a ty team. Honestly this isn't really about team USA but more so your intense hatred for Tony Parker. I personally don't care which player had a better legacy when it comes to Parker vs Manu but at the same time I see no point to belittle one's accomplishments to prop up the other.

Puerto Rico's team was not crap back then. That '02-'04 was actually a good team that was one 3pt shot away from competing for medals in 2002.
They even beat the eventual champs.
Argentina's team in the '00s is called the Golden Era team. They won World silver and Olympic gold and were pretty consistent.

I think it's pretty obvious USA changed their strategy by sending a more balanced roster (shooting, defense), with a coach more familiarized with FIBA rules. Beyond that, anybody could argue there's not much to do but some basic coaching, then get on the court and show absurd superiority.. as was always the case with NBA rosters.. but they definitely were not getting away with sending a bunch of slashers.


As international players only, Manu's gotta be the more accomplished of the 2.