What do you make of Steph Curry's release? I think he release the ball before he even is near the peak of his jump. This differs from Jimmer where the ball is released while he's already falling from his peak.
I think Curry has broken all the rules as to how to take a jump shot. He's figured out a way to get off his shot with just a fraction of a second of day light. However, I think he's been exposed by Delevedova. If he's crowded and if you keep your hands up, he can't get his shot off because it really isn't a jump shot!
The thing is the refs won't let defenders breath on him during the regular season (maybe except Lebron) otherwise that has always been the blue print against Curry. Lebron actually played him well during the regular season matchup by bodying him up which is something Danny also tries to do against Curry.
Keep reaching, bro.
I had the same exact thought the other day. I ain't spamming the board. If someone doesn't like me having a pro-Jimmer view, that's really their problem; not mine.
Good at ude to have tbqh. As benefactor said, this will be a good bump in a few months. There's no shortage of opinions on either side, so I'm sure there will be plenty of crow-eating at some point. Until then, you just keep on preachin and ask yourself WWJ(immer)D?
Which is also partially his fault. Again, you've made no argument other than saying other people don't have proof that he gets blocked more often. But it's obvious that his release is a problem, seeing as he hasn't been a consistent shooter despite the fact that he has plenty of range and is crazy accurate in an open gym.
That you simply don't understand shooting mechanics and how they affect a person's game is in no way a legitimate standing point. Jimmer clearly hasn't been an effective floor-spacer in the NBA so far. He has personally been a very poor offensive player when it comes to impacting his team. That you don't want to admit that just suggests you're lazy and don't want to think for yourself.
You do know that he has shot as high as 50% from three and has a high career three point average? He had a bad shooting year last year. But he's been a top shooter prior to last year. His lack of success is not based on his shot, it's based on his defense. I see him get his shot off just fine against legit defenders. Besides, it's not like opposing coaches will put their best defender on Jimmer.
WTF? I posted a detailed reply to this, and it didn't save.
The gist was that even in Jimmer's highlights, he shows he's a poor spot-up shooter. Some of his attempts are 30-plus feet from the basket, and his release is letting guys contest his shot when they start from the paint or corner. Him having such a poor impact on offense statistically backs that up.
He's better with the ball than people give him credit for, and that makes him a decent one-on-one scorer. But if he's going to be a spot-up guy in the Spurs' system, he faces an uphill battle. At best, he could be Beli 2.0, but that undersells Marco's other offensive attributes. Jimmer will need the ball in his hands to generate the looks he's famous for (and isn't the cutter Marco is), and I don't see that happening in a normal Spurs game.
Totally agree with Chinook on this one. Jimmer has a flawed shot that he has compensated for by shooting from way way outside the 3 point line to avoid being blocked. He has a bit of ball handling game but he obviously doesn't have the existing skillset to compensate for playing on the pro level against crazy athletes.
He can succeed here but needs to live with Chip for the first few months he's here to adjust that hitch in his shot and reinvent it otherwise he's an early cut.
If he can take the humbling experience of being torn down and rebuilt then he is could be "a spurs guy". If his ego can't take it then best of luck with him and his new Euro career.
The more I look at it, Jimmer shoots on his way down ala Blake Griffin except Jimmer has more elevation on his shot & has a quicker release.
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Just because you state the correlation is obvious doesn't make it true. And whether I understand shot mechanics has nothing to do with the fact that you simply can't prove your assertion. You're the one who made the assumption around why he hasn't shot well as a professional, not me. Why do I have to do anything to prove your assertion false when you can't definitively prove it true. It's not laziness, I'm just not the one with the burden of proof.
Hey everyone, let's all have REALLY STRONG OPINIONS about the 15th man that we haven't seen in a Spurs uni yet
Oh, and let's ARGUE about them
That's where you're messing up. I don't have to prove that point. This isn't a trial or even a debate. I stated my belief based on his play and his form. You've brought nothing but "You don't know that for sure." There's isn't really a back and forth. It doesn't matter if you want to believe the Earth is flat simply because you can't look to see it's round yourself. You can look on any video of him in games and see how bad his spot-up game is. I don't have to lead you to water when we're already floating in the ocean.
Subtle how you continually assert that you're right and I'm wrong (e.g. I'm the flatlander), even though there's no evidence to back it up.check the videos
You're right, it's not a trial. You can go on stating your belief, and I will continue to point out your assertion is devoid of any proof. I'm assuming we'll just have to agree to disagree and move along. To be fair, I was the one that incited the response this time. I'll leave it here.
Is he the 15th man or the 12th man? Reasonable people can disagree.
This thread is like:
Memories...
Agreed that this thread exists bc of summer. I still think it's funny when people say that his form is bad and he is a flawed shooter that can't get his shot off. It's obvious that they have not watched him much in the pros. Jimmer has good form. He squares his arm, spreads his fingers on stance, and his non shooting hand doesn't interfere with his release. He has nice follow through and the ball gets a good spin. That's probably why he has a high career shooting average and has shot as high as 50%. And he's usually guarded by the weaker defenders, so he has had no trouble getting his shot off.
If you want to say he's not a great floor spacer, I'll tell you that you have a crappy sample size. What team has he played on that has great ball movement? He's certainly not a starter in this league, but if the Spurs can hide his defense, he can find a role as a shooter. If he didn't have NBA form, Spurs wouldn't bothered with him. Chip can teach younger more athletic players to shoot. Jimmer wasn't signed so Chip could teach him. He was signed bc he's an NBA-ready shooter. It's the rest of his game that is the problem.
Thank you, thank you. I'm here all week.
Jimmer better than Kawhi in college and NBA
I'll take "Things said to get in a Mormon girls pants" for $500
This is why I compared you to a flatearther. The vids and everything else show a guy who's a terrible floor-spacing but who at his best can create decently off the dribble.Subtle how you continually assert that you're right and I'm wrong (e.g. I'm the flatlander), even though there's no evidence to back it up.
You're right, it's not a trial. You can go on stating your belief, and I will continue to point out your assertion is devoid of any proof. I'm assuming we'll just have to agree to disagree and move along. To be fair, I was the one that incited the response this time. I'll leave it here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfqqfwk3I7Q (didn't want to make it two-post response, so I'll just leave the link)
One spot-up attempt in that who vid where he got his shot off without having to reset, and he missed the contested look. His man was way overhelping in the paint and still got out to him.
Same thing here. The shot of the vid is Jimmer's only spot-up attempt where he didn't have to reset, and he missed because he guy got back out to him.
First play of this vid is a successful spot-up by Jimmer. And he's like 30 feet away from the basket and still gets contested. He gets two wide-open threes from the far corner later on the vid, and he splits them. Almost all of his plays involved him driving. He hardly got any room to get a shot off, even though he was being played loosely most of the game.
Last vid is just pure highlights. His only spot-up attempt is from 30 feet away, and Melo runs all the way from the baseline to contest.
Jimmer is NOT a spot-up shooter. Anyone with eyes can see that. And anyone with critical evaluation skills can see why. He keeps getting run off the line if he's anywhere near normal three-point range. He only gets open looks otherwise if he's the beneficiary of busted defense (guys under the basket and getting caught on back screens. His game in the pros has been mostly inside the arc, which is fine in a one-on-one context. But it dramatically diminishes his value to a team that doesn't need playmaking from him. He also has a tendency to take bad shots (meaning off-balance long twos) because he gets run off the line so much.
It's no wonder he has a net-negative OBPM (-.2) and an anemic career ORtg (102). He has to dominate the ball to be successful, and he isn't good enough with the ball in his hands to warrant a decent team to give him the keys to the offense. These are things I should NOT have to show you. You're the one who's the Jimmer fan -- you should know his strengths and weaknesses. Instead, you tried to hide behind a false burden of proof when the null is clearly that Jimmer isn't an NBA-caliber player.
Chinook, what proof do you have that the ball movement was getting Jimmer wide open looks? All the clips show defenders mostly stating home on him. And the ball movement in Sac, NO, and ESP in Chicago have never produced the same open looks Mills and Green get with the Spurs. And even sometimes defenders close out on them. If you had clips of only when Green and Mills were chased off the three point line,you'd be making the same claim about them. Spurs aren't going to sign a shooter to that kind of guaranteed money if they don't think he can space the floor. And I disagree that he doesn't space. Lots of defenders were staying home with him and we're getting burned when they didn't.
The only guard w/ a slower release is Ricky Rubio & he's a set shooter.
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