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what policies of HRC do you like, boutons?
"She simply does not come across as genuine."
yep, she doesn't have an authentic, unscripted bone in her body. But that's "personality", "beauty contest" stuff, which is how way too many Americans decide to vote.
What really counts is policies, positions, programs, but of course, politicians almost never give the enemy such ammunition, so "We're going to invade Iraq for oil" remained hidden Repug program.
what policies of HRC do you like, boutons?
and why do you trust her to make any of them happen?
so she's not genuine but because she's promising all this bulk she's the best candidate
Wow
to be fair, boutons hasn't said as much, but it's a reasonable inference.
above all, she's not a Repug. America's worst nightmare is a Repug WH, with big majorities in House and Senate.
she has been pulled a bit to the left, in words only, by Bernie.
would you say you're for Bernie Sanders, then?
her policy of running under the democratic ticket, of course
yep, I support all his issues
https://berniesanders.com/issues/
Fox & Friends Helps Jeb Bush Whitewash His Record On Private Email Use
Fox & Friends allowed Republican presidential candidate Jeb Bush to whitewash his record on private email use and transparency during his time as governor of Florida, ignoring that it took Bush seven years to comply with the state statute requiring him to turn over his emails and that he withheld anything he deemed personal.
Fox & FriendsHosts Allow Bush To Tout His Own Transparency And Whitewash His Use Of Private Server For Government Business
Fox & Friends Fail To Press Bush After He Dodges Question About Deleting Emails. On the September 9 edition of Fox & Friends, host Steve Doocy asked Bush whether he ever deleted any emails, failing to push Bush when he dodged the question and went on to attack Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton:
ELISABETH HASSELBECK: Will taking responsibility and saying I'm sorry finally help her?
JEB BUSH: Look, it wasn't allowed. That's the simple fact. And we found out about it with a subpoena. She's not been truthful, and I think it's damaged her campaign significantly. Now there's all these investigations -- FBI, Justice Department. She's got serious problems. And I think the lesson is, you've got to be transparent when you're running for office. I released 33 years of tax returns. It was kind of ugly, but I think that's the right thing to do. I used my email as a means of communicating with the people that I served. And I'm releasing a book in October about my tenure as governor based on the e-mails that I used.
STEVE DOOCY: I looked at my emails yesterday after she apologized. On my home computer I have 88,000 emails. I don't think I've ever erased any of them. There she is out erasing tens of thousands. Have you ever erased just a whole bunch of email just so that there was no record of anything?
BUSH: Look, she was secretary of state. That's the difference. This is a national security issue. Unless you're doing national security work on the side. That's the difference. She jeopardized national security by having confidential information going over that server. We've seen what happened with the Snowden incident and the Bradley Manning (sic) incident and OPM.
DOOCY: Do you think she got hacked by somebody?
BUSH: Of course. There's a great possibility of that. OPM got hacked, inside the government server. So, having an unsecured server, talking about national security issues as secretary of state is the real problem here. [Fox News, Fox & Friends, 9/9/15]
http://mediamatters.org/research/201...-his-re/205449
Barney beating Shillary in Iowa.
Shes ing finished
You might be right, but early momentum is overemphasized. The big states count more.
IA and NH have, between them, how many electors? 10, while HRC is crushing Bernie in SC, which has 9 electors.
all small states. your point?
She's lost credibility from what little she had. Biden would do better in general election.
He really wouldn't. That's the problem
democrats
Bernie Sanders is far from a fringe candidate, he now leads all rival Democratic presidential contenders by double digits in both Iowa and New Hampshire, according to polling analysis from*YouGov. According to the poll, Sanders is ahead at 43-percent in Iowa and 52-percent in New Hampshire, for respective leads of 10 and 22 points over establishment favorite and former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton.
The Issue Everyone Is Missing In The Clinton Email Scandal
little mention of the real issue — an ambiguously complicated and overused government classification system.
“Many of the critiques [of Clinton] show a total ignorance of how do ent classification works,” said Peter Swire, a law and ethics professor at Georgia Tech who was on the White House’s NSA review panel in 2014. “It is irrelevant if a piece of information is classified somewhere in government. What is relevant, is whether the recipient knew or should have known it was classified…I’m not aware of any statement that she received an email on her [personal and unclassified email server] that was marked classified.”
The Justice Department’s investigation of Clinton’s private server revealed that 125 emails wereretroactively classified by the State Department, at least two of which were labeled top secret. But there’s more to the story: How communications become classified is a messy process full of obstacles and room for error.
“We live in a world where intelligence comes from many different sources, and one agency treats a piece of news as classified and another treats it as unclassified,” Swire said. “It’s possible for something to be classified in one area of government and that classification status be unknown to everyone else. The problem of whether [Clinton’s email contents] would have been classified information would have been the same if it were on [the State Department’s server].”
‘It’s Not A Science’
“Classification is not an adjective; it’s a verb. It’s something that’s done and people are supposed to mark that it has been done,” said Elizabeth Goitein, co-director of the Brennan Center for Justice’s national security program. “Even so, sometimes it’s not always clear whether information is identical to information that has been marked classified.”
To become classified, an item must either be ordained as such by an original classification authority or fall under a designated topic area outlined by the president’s or specific agency’s guidelines. In 2014, there were 2,276 government officials — including the president, senior agency administrators, and those with top secret security clearances — who had the power to classify information, according to the latest report from the Information Security Oversight Office (ISOO), which chronicles the government’s classified materials. Those officials made 46,800 original classification decisions to classify information, 11 percent of which were considered top secret, ISOO found.
There are two types of classification: original and derivative. The former is decided by one of the nearly 2,300 authoritative officials who deem the release of such information potentially detrimental to national security; whereas derivative classification involves some form regurgitation of previously classified information. Derivative classification is most common, and officials decided 77.5 million times that communicated information was a paraphrase or repackaging of the already classified information, according to the ISOO.
“Unfortunately, it is not a science. It’s guesswork,” Goitein said. Assuming the information Clinton received wasn’t marked classified, there isn’t “enough info publicly anyway to deduce her culpability.”
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/20...fied-material/
iow, the Clinton email "scandal" is a 100% Repug/Fox fabrication, a tempest in a teapot to bring Clinton down politically, to create lots of smoke where there is no fire.
Exactly like Benghazi! http://www.cafepress.com/+anti-hillary-clinton-and-benghazi+bumper-stickers
DOJ Clears Hillary Clinton on Email Deletion & Private Server
And now for something you probably won't hear about much in the MSM.
"There is no question that Secretary Clinton had authority to delete personal emails without agency supervision - she appropriately could have done so even if she were working on a government server," Department of Justice lawyers told a judge.U.S. Justice Department lawyers told a federal court Wednesday that former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's use of a private email account was not against the law, nor was it illegal for her to unilaterally determine which messages were considered work-related and necessary to return to the State Department for record keepin.
Of course that's not the narrative we've been fed for months, one that the GOP has been gloating over...
Former Vice President Cheney described former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton’s handling of her private email through a private server as “sloppy and unprofessional.”“Maybe she was ignorant, but I find that hard to believe. She’s an intelligent woman. She spent a lot of time in the White House,” Mr. Cheneytold CNN. “I think she should have known better.”
Y'know what I find interesting about Cheney statements? The fact that apparently Colin Powell was just "sloppy and unprofessional" as Hillary Clinton.Like Hillary Clinton, former Secretary of State Colin Powell also used a personal email account during his tenure at the State Department, an aide confirmed in a statement.
“He was not aware of any restrictions nor does he recall being made aware of any over the four years he served at State,” the statement says. “He sent emails to his staff generally via their State Department email addresses. These emails should be on the State Department computers. He might have occasionally used personal email addresses, as he did when emailing to family and friends.”The statement continues: “He did not take any hard copies of emails with him when he left office and has no record of the emails. They were all unclassified and mostly of a housekeeping nature. He came into office encouraging the use of emails as a way of getting the staff to embrace the new 21st information world.”
So both Hillary Clinton and Colin Powell used personal email accounts, deleted those emails without it violating any laws and neither received or sent anything that was marked classified at the time. (corrected link)
Emails released Friday by the State Department appear to confirm Hillary Clinton's assertion that she received no classified information on her personal email accountwhile she served as secretary of state. Still, some of the emails were classified at the FBI's request after the fact — something the White House says is not uncommon.
Sorry GOP but the FBI deciding years later that in their opinion some information should have been classified that the State Department didn't agree with at the time does not lead to some massive wrong-doing on the part of Secretary Clinton.This story is a great big nothing. Zero. Zip. Zilch.
So I expect we'll be hearing about it for several more months. Far longer than the media droned on about members of the Bush Administration using RNC servers for their email and then "losing" millions of them.
Even for a Republican White House that was badly stumbling through George W. Bush's sixth year in office, the revelation on April 12, 2007 was shocking. Responding to congressional demands for emails in connection with its investigation into the partisan firing of eight U.S. attorneys, the White House announced that as many as five million emails, covering a two-year span, had been lost.The emails had been run through private accounts controlled by the Republican National Committee and were only supposed to be used for dealing with non-administration political campaign work to avoid violating ethics laws. Yet congressional investigators already had evidence private emails had been used for government business, including to discuss the firing of one of the U.S. attorneys. The RNC accounts were used by 22 White House staffers, including then-Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove, who reportedly used his RNC email for 95 percent of his communications.
Yeah, "Sloppy and Unprofessional".
3:26 PM PT: Adding this to address a bad link I had on the NPR article from May which do ented that (some) of Clinton's emails during the period around Benghazi didn't have anything classified in them.
There are of course more emails than just those and Secretary Clinton gave both a printed copy and thumb drive PDF of 55,000 of her work related emails to the State Department last December.
What I have to say about FBI & CIA comments is this:
The secondary classification issue is really a security turf fight between State and the other agencies IMO, and I'm very familiar with classification procedures as I've noted elsewhere in the thread. [I held a Top Secret/SAR Clearance for 13 years, and worked with classified materials daily] The one NPR article backs up Clinton based on a sampling of her emails which were around the time of Benghazi. There was nothing classified in them, and there's nothing to contradict that.
CIA and FBI have identified two(?), four(?) emails that had some information they think should have been classified - but the important thing is what did the State Department think about it at the time? Things don't become "classified" until someone gives it that designation, before that it's just information. If the State Department sent Secretary Clinton some information that was not at that time designated by State [or at the time anyone else] as classified, there's no violation there.
If something is specifically designated as classified and then someone shares that info with someone who doesn't have proper clearance - then you have a clear violation of law, not the other way around where the "classification" happens later.
This isn't Dr. Who... CIA saying this or that should have been classified now doesn't mean they get to jump in a IS and change Clinton's emails before they were sent or received. It doesn't work like that.
6:37 PM PT: Ok, I have to address something else about classified data protocols.
People are claiming that someone, or Hillary Clinton herself, took a classified do ent and copy and pasted some of it into an email.
That's Re- -U-Louise!
The reason why is because truly classified do ents can not be placed on an unclassified "White World" system that has direct access to yahoo.com and gmail. Those do ents are kept in the Black World, on completely isolated private encrypted intranet systems running across their own separate T1/T3 (or 3G/5G if they've been upgraded) backbone. I used to set up servers on one of these backbones and it's not conceivable that you could establish one of these systems on that network and then fire up ESPN.com to watch a game.
That ain't possible.
A truly secure system would have to conform to C2 Security guidelines from the DOD.
It must be possible to control access to a resource by granting or denying access to individual users or named groups of users.
Memory must be protected so that its contents cannot be read after a process frees it. Similarly, a secure file system, such as NTFS, must protect deleted files from being read.
Users must identify themselves in a unique manner, such as by password, when they log on. All auditable actions must identify the user performing the action.
System administrators must be able to audit security-related events. However, access to the security-related events audit data must be limited to authorized administrators.
The system must be protected from external interference or tampering, such as modification of the running system or of system files stored on disk.
In my day, C2 systems had to have their floppy & disk drives removed. The only way to get data off such a system would be to use a thumb drive which is apparently what Chelsey Manning did when she choose to share classified data with Wikileaks.
An innocuous-looking memory stick, no longer than a couple of fingernails, came into the hands of a Guardian reporter earlier this year. The device is so small it will hang easily on a keyring. But its contents will send shockwaves through the world's chancelleries and deliver what one official described as "an epic blow" to US diplomacy.
The 1.6 gigabytes of text files on the memory stick ran to millions of words: the contents of more than 250,000 leaked state department cables, sent from, or to, US embassies around the world.
As we know from the Manning story the State Dept. has a secure cable system for classified communications - they've had that system since long before the internet and their still using it because - shocker of shockers - the internet is not secure.
So if people are really thinking someone at State sent classified data to Secretary Clinton, or the reverse, with a simple "copy/paste" they would have had to already illegally copy that file from the secure system to their White World internet accessible machine, which is already a crimelong before anyone hit "Send".
Having said that there are times when there are things going on in the public that mirror information the government would prefer to keep private. For example one of the projects I worked on when I had a clearance was the B2 Bomber. That project was still Classified long after it was public knowledge that such a plane existed, in fact, it's budget issues and funding were being debated in congress - but the Air Force hadn't official admitted it existed yet, or what's it's full capabilities were.
So Officials talking about the B2, even in their own personal emails, or on the phone, would have been talking about something technically "classified" even though it was largely common knowledge and Aviation Week (which we used to call "Aviation Leak") was running reports and artist concept drawings of it - most of which were wrong to our amusement - for years.
I haven't yet seen exactly what this retroactively classified information is in specific [there has been some reports that it regarded details of Ambassador Stevens death in Benghazi] and we probably won't know exactly because if we did it wouldn't be classified, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was something along these lines.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/0...n?detail=email
^^^marching orders from Daily Kos
rock-ribbed Republicans at McClatchy, reading the tea leaves:
Disclosures that the aide who set up Hillary Clinton’s private email server has refused to cooperate with investigators on Fifth Amendment grounds mark an ominous new turn for the Democratic presidential frontrunner as she fights allegations she mishandled classified information while secretary of state.
One former Republican U.S. attorney predicted Thursday that the development will compel the Justice Department to set aside the FBI’s limited inquiry into whether Clinton’s emails breached national security, empanel a federal grand jury and conduct a criminal investigation.
“Obviously, if he’s not going to cooperate, all of these people who were on her email are all going to get subpoenas now,” Joseph diGenova said. “It is fairly abundant that the setting up of the server – unencrypted, without State Department input – was done partially surrep iously. And this gentleman who was part of that process could be criminally exposed for violating the espionage statutes, especially for the grossly negligent handling of classified information, which is a 10-year felony.”http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/poli...e33827619.html“When people like this little guy start taking the fifth,” diGenova said, “it means that a lot of other people along the way are going to do the same thing. This happened because she wanted to have an unencrypted server to protect her privacy, and in the course of doing that, she compromised national security information for four years, whether she wants to admit it or not.”
It's a sad day when sloppy and unprofessional are welcome descriptions to a presidential candidate
Btw just heard those deleted emails can and will be recovered. Game over
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