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    The key word here is.....intent. That incident was done with passion, it was not plotted or planned, it was a spur of the moment emotional out burst. Totally different deal than kids mugging a ref.



    Well I'll be damn it wasn't just a couple kids acting stupid.


    According to Northside officials, the players were frustrated during the game by what they felt were wrong or missed calls by the referee. The players also alleged that the referee directed racial slurs at them.
    The district said John Jay players told investigators that an assistant coach told them, "That guy (referee) needs to pay for cheating us."

    The assistant coach, Mack Breed, has been placed on administrative leave during the investigation. District officials said Breed's comments could have led to the incident with the referee. Breed, 29, was hired by the district in 2010.

    There ya go.
    Sounds like a couple of POS punks trying to lie their way out of a bad situation.

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    SAN ANTONIO -- The Texas high school football official who was blindsided by two players during a game earlier this month called two players the N-word on separate occasions, once before the infamous hit and once after, according to the accounts of four John Jay High School players and one person who was on the sideline that night.
    The players also have told those investigating the incident that the official used language offensive to Hispanic players.

    The player accounts were provided to Outside the Lines on the condition that the players and source would not be named, due to an ongoing school district investigation.
    Officials with the Northside Independent School District said in a news conference Tuesday that, among other things, they were looking into alleged racist remarks made by the official, Robert Watts, but declined to provide specifics of what was said and to whom.

    The video of John Jay safeties Michael Moreno and Victor Rojas blindsiding Watts in a game against Marble Falls on Sept. 4 has gone viral, bringing national attention to the San Antonio public school.

    Watts has declined to comment. His New Jersey-based attorney, Alan Goldberger, however, has said in multiple interviews that Moreno and Rojas fabricated allegations that Watts used racist remarks during the game in order to make excuses for their own actions.

    When reached by phone Saturday, Goldberger said, "I'm not going to get into a media debate with these kids. Mr. Watts has denied he made any offensive remarks." Goldberger declined further comment.

    Earlier this week, Goldberger said that Watts has no prior history of complaints about his language during games.

    Northside ISD athletic director Stan Laing said the investigation into the events of the game will probably wrap up this weekend.

    When asked specifically about the comments Watts made during the game and his alleged use of the N-word, Laing said: "That's not a surprise. That's what we've been hearing all along."
    Laing would not comment on what should be done if, in fact, it is proved that Watts did use racist language but said all of the information from John Jay players and coaches would be turned over to the Texas Association of Sports Officials so the governing body of Texas referees can conduct its own investigation.

    John Jay is predominantly a minority school. Marble Falls High, which hosted the game, is a predominantly white school northwest of Austin.
    Officials from Marble Falls told OTL they couldn't comment due to the ongoing investigation.

    Outside the Lines has learned that it wasn't Moreno or Rojas who first alerted John Jay coaches to the alleged racist remarks but rather quarterback Moses Reynolds and the team's starting running back, Trent Hobdy.

    The game was marred by a series of penalties and ejections that contributed to what one school administrator characterized last week as a "powder-keg" atmosphere.
    John Jay players were frustrated that no Marble Falls players were ejected during the physical contest, which included two John Jay touchdowns nullified by penalties.
    In the third quarter, John Jay wide receiver Daytwon Sheridan was ejected from the game for throwing punches at a Marble Falls player.

    In the fourth quarter, according to the accounts of two different John Jay players obtained by Outside the Lines, Reynolds ran the ball up the middle on a quarterback keeper and, after getting tackled, found himself on the receiving end of some trash talk from a Marble Falls player. According to the accounts of two players, Reynolds did not respond to the opposing player but instead turned to Watts, threw him the ball and said, "See, I'm not saying nothing."

    Two John Jay players said Watts, apparently angry with the way Reynolds had thrown the ball to him, confronted Reynolds and said: "N-----, throw the f---ing ball at me again."

    On the next possession, Reynolds was playing safety when a Marble Falls running back broke through the left side and wasn't tackled until he reached the John Jay secondary.

    Reynolds, who was tied up with a Marble Falls blocker, was not in on the tackle. While video of the play, reviewed by Outside the Lines, clearly shows the Marble Falls player striking Reynolds in the face mask at least twice, only Reynolds, who retaliated by pushing the opposing player's face mask, was ejected from the game by Watts.

    When Reynolds came to the sideline, he told John Jay offensive coordinator Roy Garcia and secondary coach Mack Breed that he'd been called the N-word by Watts, according to a person on the John Jay sideline, who asked not to be identified because of the school district's investigation.

    According to Northside ISD officials, it was Breed who, several plays prior to the play in which Watts was blindsided, said of Watts: "That guy needs to pay for cheating us." Breed has been placed on administrative leave for his conduct during the game.

    When Reynolds later shared the story with his mother, Michele, he told the same story of how Watts called him the N-word, according to a person familiar with the exchange, who also asked not to be identified.

    Later in the fourth quarter, when Watts heard John Jay senior defensive lineman Sammy Alvarado speaking Spanish, Watts reacted by saying, "We're in America, speak English," according to the account of a John Jay player who said he heard the remark from Watts.

    With the clock winding down and John Jay trailing 15-9, the video shows sop re Rojas hitting a defenseless Watts from behind, knocking him down, followed by Moreno lowering his helmet and piling into Watts while he was on the ground. The two were only in the game because starters Sheridan (who plays receiver and safety) and Reynolds had been ejected earlier.

    The video has now been seen online by millions of people. What isn't known, at least not to those outside the John Jay program, is what the players say happened immediately after the now-infamous hits: As Watts rose to his feet, he immediately confronted Hobdy.

    "You can't see it on film but the ref was all up in his face, chest to chest," said a team source, who witnessed the exchange from the John Jay sideline.
    As Watts confronted Hobdy, he said, "Did you hit me?" according to one player's account of the exchange. Hobdy responded by saying: "You don't know who hit you," that same player said.

    Watts questioned Hobdy again, asking, "Did you hit me, n-----?" according to the accounts of two John Jay players.

    Hobdy was ejected from the game, even though he hadn't hit Watts, while Moreno remained in the game.

    As Hobdy came to the sideline, visibly upset, he told offensive coordinator Garcia and defensive position coach Breed about Watts' use of the N-word, according to a source on the John Jay sidelines. That same source said John Jay head coach Gary Gutierrez was made aware of the racist language allegedly used by Watts.

    "It burns me up on the inside," the source said, when asked about the impact Watts' alleged remarks had on the John Jay players.

    "If the kids [Rojas and Moreno] would have never done anything, this wouldn't be an issue and he'd probably just go on making comments like that."

    Rojas and Moreno, who were suspended from the team and the school, will attend Northside Alternative High School pending the outcome of a disciplinary hearing conducted by the Northside ISD, and could also face assault charges.

    On Friday, John Jay played its first game since the incident, losing 37-14 to Del Rio.
    Police officers lined the bleachers and edges of the playing field as school officials added extra security. The game was played without incident.
    John Barr is an investigative reporter and Michael Sciallo is a producer in ESPN's Enterprise Unit.

  3. #103
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    Getting called a nigger isn't grounds for assault. Grounds for firing the ref for sure.

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    the ref would have gotten a pass for calling them N words. he fucced up by telling them to speak english and using hispanic slurs.

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    Lost to Marble Falls and Laredo? It sounds like this John Jay team sucks so bad that banning them for a year as Avante advocates would be a blessing in disguise.

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    they should of took his acl's out instead tbh

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    the ref would have gotten a pass for calling them N words. he fucced up by telling them to speak english and using hispanic slurs.

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    One more time.

    It's all about the culture, ok people? Those kids thought that was the way to handle that situation. Why? Yep, they grew around that mentality. You need to shake things up, do something dramatic to change things.

    I'll back off firing the coaching staff but the 2015 football season should be over. Take it from....so what did the kids get...to a whole community pissed off about no football. The kids will be forgotten, not the 2015 non season.

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    One more time.

    It's all about the culture, ok people? Those kids thought that was the way to handle that situation. Why? Yep, they grew around that mentality. You need to shake things up, do something dramatic to change things.

    I'll back off firing the coaching staff but the 2015 football season should be over. Take it from....so what did the kids get...to a whole community pissed off about no football. The kids will be forgotten, not the 2015 non season.
    Lol one more time.

    Nobody agrees with your stupid assessment, dummy.

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    Look at this freak Blake, one minute it's....

    Blake...forget popular opinion. (when talking religion)

    Now it's....nobody agree with you.

    Hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..what a wishy washy little .

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    Look at this freak Blake, one minute it's....

    Blake...forget popular opinion. (when talking religion)

    Now it's....nobody agree with you.

    Hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..what a wishy washy little .
    Hey, congrats on seeing how I appealed to the masses. Yes, it's a logical fallacy.

    I bet you still won't get it though.

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    they should of took his acl's out instead tbh

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    At least they're representing San Antonio for reals.

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    at that haircut. ing disgraced my school IMO now that I saw his hair

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    I'm glad that NISD hasn't taken the asinine route suggested by Avante and others and hasn't punished the rest of the kids on that team by depriving them of not only the chance to participate in a sport that they enjoy, but also to continue to enjoy the benefits of being on a team and committing themselves to work.

    If this same incident had occurred at a more prestigious school (where there might actually be less respect for game officials; I've been around those situations and I'm not just guessing about that), I don't think that anyone would be calling to shutdown the program. If two players from Brennan HS, or Reagan HS, or Steele HS were to hit an official this weekend, nobody's going to think that the solution to the problem is to end the Brennan, Reagan, or Steele season.

    Ironically, by keeping Jay program going this year, the kids who didn't participate in assaulting the official will probably learn substantially more about respecting authority and just doing your job than they would have if the program had been shut down; if you take them out of that environment, they lose any chance to gain any benefit from recovering from such a shocking story and all of the things that surround it. By allowing them to keep going, to allow the remaining players to find a way to comport themselves with dignity and strength for the next two months, no matter what anyone might say or do to them, they learn directly that you don't deal with frustration and anger by assaulting those who frustrate or anger you.

    Discipline can be taught without imposing harsh discipline to achieve that end.

    Besides, for at least some of these kids, football isn't a direct path to a better life, but it may be helpful to have an activity like that in their backgrounds to get into colleges or to find jobs that aren't just menial work. To say that a senior linebacker who makes good grades and keeps himself out of trouble will lose the chance to point to 3 years of football on applications for college/jobs because some of his teammates couldn't hold their powder or were told to do something stupid and complied doesn't really teach the good kid anything and just frustrates his chances to grow beyond his current environment.

    The players were wrong and they should be punished, as they have been.

    The coach who allegedly instructed them to do "something" is wrong and he should be punished and shouldn't coach again, as he apparently will be.

    And if the official said what he's alleged to have said, it doesn't justify what any of the other actors here did, but it certainly suggests that he should be punished and not be refereeing youth sports any longer. If he's so pathetic that he feels justified in some way spewing racial nonsense to teenagers, there are significant issues there that need to be corrected.

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    terrible haircut

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    He bringing back that Mexi-mullet

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    Didn't one of them stay in the game and go after the qb after he took a knee in the victory formation? What's the excuse for that I wonder. I guess he hasn't figured out a way to blame someone else for that one yet.
    Last edited by IceColdBrewski; 09-18-2015 at 04:24 PM.

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    the ref would have gotten a pass for calling them N words. he fucced up by telling them to speak english and using hispanic slurs.
    But they should speak English tbh. Leave the third world culture back on the third world country

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    The hood on the left really committing to the sheep's clothing, glasses and all. He's probably the worst. The other just looks like a follower re

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    Ban both of these little mother ers. It would've been one thing if this was done "The Longest Yard" style where no one saw it except for the warden. But these morons did this in the public eye (videotaped for crissakes) and deserve the book to be thrown out them.

    The ref called them names? Always so easy to make bull like that up when you get caught.

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    But they should speak English tbh. Leave the third world culture back on the third world country
    Mexicans speaking Spanish: nawwwwwww
    Old man getting off on underage girls: nothing wrong with it, it's normal

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    Where's the Avante been hiding?

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