Spurs: Predict how the Spurs will lose this year

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And after every Clippers win of the series CN would say, "Don't worry. You guys still got it. We'll choke it away."

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[apalisoc_9]

Porker will chuck the Spurs out of the playoffs in an attempt to be The Man, just like he did in 2004, 2006, 2012, 2013, and 2015. And due to blind loyalty, Poop won't bench him.

Easily a top 10 Spurstalk poster of all time.

[Spurtacular]

Easily a top 10 Spurstalk poster of all time.

Please do your reach arounds in private, got.

[Kool Bob Love]

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And after every Clippers win of the series CN would say, "Don't worry. You guys still got it. We'll choke it away."

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[ambchang]

Double standard. If they lose does that speak negatively of Tim's leadership abilities?

If they win it all it speaks volumes for them.. and their opponents, and what "all" really means.

If winning it all is a positive sign of Duncan's leadership, not winning it all does not necessarily mean it is a negative sign of it.

How what issue was a double standard is beyond me. Did I say winning it all would be a negative sign of anybody's leadership? Where is the double standard?

If you don't know what all means in winning it all, then try looking it up.

[StrengthAndHonor]

"Finally?" Fake fan doesn't realize that we just beat the Spurs last year

Lakertroll exposed

Don't get too excited, it was a sarcasm

[DMC]

If winning it all is a positive sign of Duncan's leadership, not winning it all does not necessarily mean it is a negative sign of it.

If Duncan's leadership is responsible for winning, then it must be to blame for not winning. He cannot only benefit without risk.

How what issue was a double standard is beyond me. Did I say winning it all would be a negative sign of anybody's leadership? Where is the double standard?

You just said it in your response, which I predicted was your intent in your post to which I first responded.

Your responses are tiresome and lack abstract thought.

If you don't know what all means in winning it all, then try looking it up.

See above, Balky.

[ambchang]

If Duncan's leadership is responsible for winning, then it must be to blame for not winning. He cannot only benefit without risk.

Not true. If a bunch of high school kids beat the Spurs, the leader of that high school team deserves credit. If they lost, it's simply because they were out matched. Your bias assumption was faulty.

You just said it in your response, which I predicted was your intent in your post to which I first responded.


Your responses are tiresome and lack abstract thought.

Your assumptions lack basic logic.

See above, Balky.

Use you brain, fat hands.

[Killakobe81]

Man I hate to agree with DMC, but isnt that what common fans do? In fact isnt that EXACTLY what you accuse Kobe stans of doing? Absolving him of blame for losses and providing him the lion's share of credit when they win?

Amb you are a good poster and excellent at trolling Kobe fans but you are inconsistent. When Kobe or some player you are not a fan of wins it's a team game but when Tim/Pau win it's their leadership and unselfishness. but when Tim/Pau lose in the first round, it's someone else's fault.

[Killakobe81]

And before the inevitable ... Kobe post, or defensive missive. I dont have the time or energy to show you examples but Im sure if anyone wants to can find it in many of your Kobe or Pau themed posts.

We get it, you love Pau/Timmy/Moses/Bird hate Kobe. Patterns are easy to see and you have every right to hate Kobe and or his game both have traits that are easy to hate. Just stop playing dumb and naive ...

[ambchang]

Man I hate to agree with DMC, but isnt that what common fans do? In fact isnt that EXACTLY what you accuse Kobe stans of doing? Absolving him of blame for losses and providing him the lion's share of credit when they win?

Amb you are a good poster and excellent at trolling Kobe fans but you are inconsistent. When Kobe or some player you are not a fan of wins it's a team game but when Tim/Pau win it's their leadership and unselfishness. but when Tim/Pau lose in the first round, it's someone else's fault.

I didn't say it was solely due to Duncan, I said you have to give credit to his leadership abilities, which we have seen plenty of evidence already, but would certainly be enhanced if the Spurs can somehow, against odds, win the championship this year.

Kobestans, OTOH, sabotage his own team's success to prove a point, shoot his team out of a very winnable series, win MVPs that does not belong to him, and try to equate himself to Jordan although it is just pure embarrassment for him to do so.

[ambchang]

And before the inevitable ... Kobe post, or defensive missive. I dont have the time or energy to show you examples but Im sure if anyone wants to can find it in many of your Kobe or Pau themed posts.

We get it, you love Pau/Timmy/Moses/Bird hate Kobe. Patterns are easy to see and you have every right to hate Kobe and or his game both have traits that are easy to hate. Just stop playing dumb and naive ...

I don't particularly love certain players for unfound reasons. You'd notice how MVPau, Duncan, Moses, and Bird are all team players. I love that aspect of the game.

I also love Magic's game, David Robinson, Pippen, Dumars, Elliott, Hakeem (post diva days), Fat Lever, and Pierce. Great team players, and learned to win over time.

[baseline bum]

I'm not so worried about Duncan even though he's old as . His offensive game has already fallen way off anyways, but unless he blows out a knee I'm confident he'll still be a strong interior defender, rebounder, and garbage guy at the rim. Parker is the huge question mark, his game has fallen off a cliff since 2012-13. He was still decent in 2013-14, though nowhere near the player he was from about 2006-13, but if the Spurs lose it will be because they got completely demolished at the PG position just like in the Clipper series last year. As a Spurs fan that's what makes me nervous this year, that 2015 Parker is just who Parker is now, when the West is loaded with really strong points like Curry, Paul, Westbrook, Conley, Lawson and then Irving would be waiting in a potential Finals matchup.

[Killakobe81]

I didn't say it was solely due to Duncan, I said you have to give credit to his leadership abilities, which we have seen plenty of evidence already, but would certainly be enhanced if the Spurs can somehow, against odds, win the championship this year.

Kobestans, OTOH, sabotage his own team's success to prove a point, shoot his team out of a very winnable series, win MVPs that does not belong to him, and try to equate himself to Jordan although it is just pure embarrassment for him to do so.

Against the odds? outside of the Cavs easier road how are the Spurs not at LEAST a top 3 favorite to win the le? You respect the Warriors as champions but repeating is not easy (as any Spur fan can tell you). Spurs are no sure thing but you are not overcoming major odds to win either ...stop it.

[Killakobe81]

I didn't say it was solely due to Duncan, I said you have to give credit to his leadership abilities, which we have seen plenty of evidence already, but would certainly be enhanced if the Spurs can somehow, against odds, win the championship this year.

Kobestans, OTOH, sabotage his own team's success to prove a point, shoot his team out of a very winnable series, win MVPs that does not belong to him, and try to equate himself to Jordan although it is just pure embarrassment for him to do so.

LOL and there he goes ... but I wont dance this with you. MVP's are media awards and they have been ty and inconsistent for years. Who cares?!

[ambchang]

Against the odds? outside of the Cavs easier road how are the Spurs not at LEAST a top 3 favorite to win the le? You respect the Warriors as champions but repeating is not easy (as any Spur fan can tell you). Spurs are no sure thing but you are not overcoming major odds to win either ...stop it.

Warriors, Cavs and Clippers are all better talents on paper.

Houston and Spurs are on similar ground. So yes, the Spurs have to climb over 3 guys that are above them to win it all, likely having to go through all 3 in order to do so. I'd say that is against the odds.

LOL and there he goes ... but I wont dance this with you. MVP's are media awards and they have been ty and inconsistent for years. Who cares?!

I do. Cp3 deserved it in 08, MVPau deserves at least 1 of the 2 FMVPs.

[Killakobe81]

Warriors, Cavs and Clippers are all better talents on paper.

Houston and Spurs are on similar ground. So yes, the Spurs have to climb over 3 guys that are above them to win it all, likely having to go through all 3 in order to do so. I'd say that is against the odds.



I do. Cp3 deserved it in 08, MVPau deserves at least 1 of the 2 FMVPs.

So write about how Malone robbed MJ too or does not that not matter?

Houston will be better but not better than the Spurs. Tim at his age has been more durable than Dwight and are led by stars with questionable mental make-ups (though I love Harden more than most here).

No way do Spurs ...if they play this season the right way and dont tank games late have to face all those teams. At worst you may face two plus dem Cavs ...

Spurs get the poor man's MVPau ... and David West (think PJ Brown for 2008 Celts) for peanuts but winning a le is overcoming the odds? Spurs are a solid top 3 West team and arguably the #1 favorite.

[Killakobe81]

Amb just don't want to eat the same sandwiches he served when the Kobe/Dwight/Nash/Pau Lakers crumbled ...

Spurs are loaded. If they do not make at LEAST WCF ... heck, if they dont ring it's a failure.

Spurs arguably have a top 5 player at Center, PF and SF ... along with proven winners at PG/SG and depth. A HOF coach. They should win.

[Koolaid_Man]

amb just dont want to eat the same sandwiches he served whenthe Kobe/Dwight/Nash/Pau Lakers crumbled ...

Spurs are loaded and if they do not make at LEAST WCF heck if they dont ring it's a failure.

SPurs arguably have a top 5 player at Center, PF and SF ... along with proven winners at PG/SG and depth. A HOF coach. They should win.

Kobe vs Ambchang summed up.... and this may be generous for the couch potatoe....

[Killakobe81]

For the record Cavs are the Vegas faves at 11/4 followed next by Spurs at 4/1 but according to Amb that is overcoming the "odds" LOL

[ambchang]

So write about how Malone robbed MJ too or does not that not matter?

You haven't heard me ranting about that pedophile? The case against him is even worse, he should be ranked behind Stockton, let alone Jordan.

Which brings me to another point, Kobe isn't ranked behind CP3 and MVPau, and I won't rank him that low either, but the fact that he had to steal MVPs from players who are worse than him speaks to itself.

Houston will be better but not better than the Spurs. Tim at his age has been more durable than Dwight and are led by stars with questionable mental make-ups (though I love Harden more than most here).

No way do Spurs ...if they play this season the right way and dont tank games late have to face all those teams. At worst you may face two plus dem Cavs ...

Spurs get the poor man's MVPau ... and David West (think PJ Brown for 2008 Celts) for peanuts but winning a le is overcoming the odds? Spurs are a solid top 3 West team and arguably the #1 favorite.

LMA is not a poor man's MVPau, he doesn't have the low post moves or smarts that MVPau has, he can pass like MVPau could, he can't defend like MVPau could, they are very different players. Yes, MVPau > LMA, but they are different players.

[QUOTE=Killakobe81;8195847]Amb just don't want to eat the same sandwiches he served when the Kobe/Dwight/Nash/Pau Lakers crumbled ...

Spurs are loaded. If they do not make at LEAST WCF ... heck, if they dont ring it's a failure.

You act as the West is a cake walk. GSW, HOU, MEM, LAC are all strong teams. If the Spurs had an injury at any time (playoffs would be deadly, but RS would mean lower seeding) or an untimely cold streak in the playoffs, they are done (true for the other teams as well).

The only possible failure this year is if the Cavs don't make the ECF (or those strong teams not making the playoffs, but I don't see that happening). I think people are underestimating Chicago, but I say that every year, so take it with a large lump of salt. In the West

Spurs arguably have a top 5 player at Center, PF and SF ... along with proven winners at PG/SG and depth. A HOF coach. They should win.

Have you seen Parker in the Euroleague? He's playing HORRIBLE. Forget about a starting PG on a championship team, he isn't even a rotation player at this point. Last year showed it, the Euroleague drove that point home. Parker is done. And Ginobili has been done for a few years. People thought it's 2008 for Ginobili and 2011 for Parker, it's not. They are both a long way away from their primes.

Duncan is arguably a top 5 C, but it speaks to how weak the C position is than how strong he is. Marc Gasol, Dwight are clearly better. MVPau is as well if you count him as a C. LMA is probably a top 5 PF. Leonard is definitely a top 5 SF.

Kobe vs Ambchang summed up.... and this may be generous for the couch potatoe....

I'd say it's about right, Jordan: Kobe is about Bogues: Me. I mean, Bogues averaged double digits assists a few years, led the league in assists to TO ration multiple years, ranked high in steals a few years, ran the fast break as good as anyone, and he is about a billion times better than me as a basketball player. Jordan is about that much better than Kobe.

For the record Cavs are the Vegas faves at 11/4 followed next by Spurs at 4/1 but according to Amb that is overcoming the "odds" LOL

You are using Vegas now? What were the odds of Lakers winning the championship in 04 and 12 again?

Trust me, the Spurs are not well constructed. They will miss Splitter a LOT during certain parts of the playoffs.

[Killakobe81]

[QUOTE=ambchang;8196040]You haven't heard me ranting about that pedophile? The case against him is even worse, he should be ranked behind Stockton, let alone Jordan.

Which brings me to another point, Kobe isn't ranked behind CP3 and MVPau, and I won't rank him that low either, but the fact that he had to steal MVPs from players who are worse than him speaks to itself.



LMA is not a poor man's MVPau, he doesn't have the low post moves or smarts that MVPau has, he can pass like MVPau could, he can't defend like MVPau could, they are very different players. Yes, MVPau > LMA, but they are different players.

Amb just don't want to eat the same sandwiches he served when the Kobe/Dwight/Nash/Pau Lakers crumbled ...

Spurs are loaded. If they do not make at LEAST WCF ... heck, if they dont ring it's a failure.

You act as the West is a cake walk. GSW, HOU, MEM, LAC are all strong teams. If the Spurs had an injury at any time (playoffs would be deadly, but RS would mean lower seeding) or an untimely cold streak in the playoffs, they are done (true for the other teams as well).

The only possible failure this year is if the Cavs don't make the ECF (or those strong teams not making the playoffs, but I don't see that happening). I think people are underestimating Chicago, but I say that every year, so take it with a large lump of salt. In the West



Have you seen Parker in the Euroleague? He's playing HORRIBLE. Forget about a starting PG on a championship team, he isn't even a rotation player at this point. Last year showed it, the Euroleague drove that point home. Parker is done. And Ginobili has been done for a few years. People thought it's 2008 for Ginobili and 2011 for Parker, it's not. They are both a long way away from their primes.

Duncan is arguably a top 5 C, but it speaks to how weak the C position is than how strong he is. Marc Gasol, Dwight are clearly better. MVPau is as well if you count him as a C. LMA is probably a top 5 PF. Leonard is definitely a top 5 SF.



I'd say it's about right, Jordan: Kobe is about Bogues: Me. I mean, Bogues averaged double digits assists a few years, led the league in assists to TO ration multiple years, ranked high in steals a few years, ran the fast break as good as anyone, and he is about a billion times better than me as a basketball player. Jordan is about that much better than Kobe.



You are using Vegas now? What were the odds of Lakers winning the championship in 04 and 12 again?

Trust me, the Spurs are not well constructed. They will miss Splitter a LOT during certain parts of the playoffs.

So who odds should we use? Joe the local bookie or the all knowing basketball savant Ambchang's personal assessment of where teams rank?

Not winning a le has nothing to do with who is the favorite pre-season. You like to point out what a huge failure the 2012 Lakers were...isnt that based on pre-season odds and predictions for that team not because of what happened in season? Because if that is the case, how could that team be the colossal failure you claim, when anyone could see the injury and chemistry issues of that team once they started playing? Does pre-season status only matter when it's helpful to your own arguments? Wasnt it a failure because of the hype and expectations placed on that team by Vegas, media and Laker fans? How does that not apply here, Amb?

Answer me this. Put these Spurs in NY or LA ... wouldnt they have similar hype to the 2012 Lakers? Even in SA arent they getting plenty of national hype and praise for their off-season moves?

no I have not watched Euro, only seen snippets of Dirk and Pau. I am not a Parker fan. but respect what he has done ... Is it not a true story that Parker is proven PG on multiple le teams? Same with Manu at SG. Sure they aren't as good as they were in 2007 or even 2014 but neither were the Lakers in 2012. You didnt offer those excuses for the 2012 Lakers so the 2015 Spurs dont get an out here either, buddy. Besides at least you have Kiwi just entering his prime ...The 2012 Lakers had no prime stars except a hobbled Dwight.

You aint getting away with this sandwich. I think you will ring so it wont matter ...but if you don't I will ram that same turd sandwich down your virtual pie hole so far, my hand will be coming out your ass.

Remember, I told you, El, DPG, Kool everyone that posted regular that year that the 2012 Lakers had a WCF ceiling ... no one would listen to me then ...and I aint trying to hear you now. You are trying to do the same with the 2015 Spurs and you may be right.. same as me ...but it has never stopped you from bringing that up regularly.

So you will get no quarter here, Amb. if you do not win this (and again I think you will win) eat it.

Note: not sure why you bring up 2004 they made the Finals if you are favorite and lose in the Finals it's still an upset but not a failure like 2012 ...And in regards to 20112 ...Unless you predicting another 1st round loss not sure how that will apply here ..no way Spurs lose in back to back 1st rounds ...will they?

[Killakobe81]

Also when I say poor man's MVPau (LMA) I dont mean game-wise ... I mean impact wise. Getting LMA now while just entering his 30's, in his prime is like adding Pau to the Lakers in 2008. You are adding LMA to a prime Kiwi plus still have the the aging big 3 just two years removed from back to back Finals. So yes, the expectations are high. LMA does have a mid-range high post game like Pau's otherwise I agree their games are not similar Pau is a much better pure on the block player with great counters ...LMA is primarily a turn around jumper guy ...Pau is a better passer/rebounder too when locked in.

[ambchang]

So who odds should we use? Joe the local bookie or the all knowing basketball savant Ambchang's personal assessment of where teams rank?

I'd say common sense. But regardless, the Spurs aren't even le favourites, so what's the big deal. I mean, we are not talking about 2004 Lakers or 2012 Lakers, or even 2008 post-MVPau trade Lakers. Unless the Spurs finish worse than 7th seed in the west and get kicked out of the 1st this season, they will never be worse than the 2012 Lakers.

Not winning a le has nothing to do with who is the favorite pre-season. You like to point out what a huge failure the 2012 Lakers were...isnt that based on pre-season odds and predictions for that team not because of what happened in season? Because if that is the case, how could that team be the colossal failure you claim, when anyone could see the injury and chemistry issues of that team once they started playing? Does pre-season status only matter when it's helpful to your own arguments? Wasnt it a failure because of the hype and expectations place don that team by Vegas media, fans?

I can see injury as their issue, chemistry is something they could have worked out. They couldn't, and the biggest issue they had was not running the offense through MVPau.

Answer me this. Put these Spurs in NY or LA ... wouldnt they have similar hype to the 2012 Lakers? Even in SA arent they getting plenty of national hype and praise for their off-season moves?

They should get praise for their off season move, because they got the biggest FA, and got David West for a total steal, but there comes a cost, and people forgot about those.

no I have not watched Euro, only seen snippets of Dirk and Pau. I am not a Parker fan. but respect what he has done ... Is it not a true story that Parker is proven PG on multiple le teams? Same with Manu at SG. Sure they aren't as good as they were in 2007 or even 2014 but neither were the Lakers in 2012. You didnt offer those excuses for the 2012 Lakers so the 2015 Spurs dont get an out here either, buddy. Besides at least you have Kiwi just entering his prime ...The 2012 Lakers had no prime stars except a hobbled Dwight.

Dwight was in his prime, MVPau was slightly past his prime, so was Kobe. Duncan is way past his prime, David West is way way way past his prime, Parker and Ginobili are both years away from their primes. Kawhi and LMA are the only ones in or entering their primes. Which I reckon is still pretty good.

You aint getting away with this sandwich. I think you will ring so it wont matter ...but if you don't I will ram that same turd sandwich down your virtual pie hole so far, my hand will be coming out your ass.

You can do what you want, but the Spurs are not favourites. Even your vegas odds didn't have the Spurs at the top. So I am not sure what type of gloating you can possibly have done.

Remember, I told you, El, DPG, Kool everyone that posted regular that year that the 2012 Lakers had a WCF ceiling ... no one would listen to me then ...and I aint trying to hear you now. You are trying to do the same with the 2015 Spurs and you may be right.. same as me ...but it has never stopped you from bring that up regularly.

And? What did the press say? What did Vegas say? Did you say they were going to get 7th seed and get embarrassed in the 1st round? Oh, wait, you said WCF! They couldn't even get close to that, and that was the worst case prediction on these boards. What is the worst case scenario for the Spurs this year? 2nd round? WCF?

If the 2012 Lakers made the WCF, I wouldn't point out how much of a monumental failure they were, because they wouldn't be. If you want to harp on the Spurs not winning the championship as some sort of failure if they failed to do so, they do so, you will just look like a total re .

So you will get no quarter here, Amb. if you do not win this (and again I think you will win) eat it.

Note: not sure why you bring up 2004 they made the Finals if you are favorite and lose in the Finals it's still an upset but not a failure like 2012 ...Unless you predicting another 1st round loss not sure how that will apply here ..no way Spurs lose in back to back 1st rounds ...will they?

I don't know if they will. If the Spurs lose in the 1st round, or fail to make the playoffs, I would say that is a failture. If they don't win the championship? I can give them a pass.

[Killakobe81]

I'd say common sense. But regardless, the Spurs aren't even le favourites, so what's the big deal. I mean, we are not talking about 2004 Lakers or 2012 Lakers, or even 2008 post-MVPau trade Lakers. Unless the Spurs finish worse than 7th seed in the west and get kicked out of the 1st this season, they will never be worse than the 2012 Lakers.



I can see injury as their issue, chemistry is something they could have worked out. They couldn't, and the biggest issue they had was not running the offense through MVPau.



They should get praise for their off season move, because they got the biggest FA, and got David West for a total steal, but there comes a cost, and people forgot about those.



Dwight was in his prime, MVPau was slightly past his prime, so was Kobe. Duncan is way past his prime, David West is way way way past his prime, Parker and Ginobili are both years away from their primes. Kawhi and LMA are the only ones in or entering their primes. Which I reckon is still pretty good.



You can do what you want, but the Spurs are not favourites. Even your vegas odds didn't have the Spurs at the top. So I am not sure what type of gloating you can possibly have done.



And? What did the press say? What did Vegas say? Did you say they were going to get 7th seed and get embarrassed in the 1st round? Oh, wait, you said WCF! They couldn't even get close to that, and that was the worst case prediction on these boards. What is the worst case scenario for the Spurs this year? 2nd round? WCF?

If the 2012 Lakers made the WCF, I wouldn't point out how much of a monumental failure they were, because they wouldn't be. If you want to harp on the Spurs not winning the championship as some sort of failure if they failed to do so, they do so, you will just look like a total re .



I don't know if they will. If the Spurs lose in the 1st round, or fail to make the playoffs, I would say that is a failture. If they don't win the championship? I can give them a pass.

You were here. I said WCF ceiling, you do know what that means, right? Meaning if everything breaks right that is how high I saw that team. Some of that was out of respect for OKC and LAC ...and I predicted 2nd round loss plenty that year you can look it up ...not even knowing the injuries at the time.

In My rankings just like yours losing one round earlier is not a huge failure based on MY predictions, if that is the case. SO does that absolve the Lakers from failing that year just because I did not see them ringing?

I dont give a if you want to try and downplay this and getting your blame game sights on Tony's fatass, if you guys dont ring ... I will be doing all the same bull you do about 2012.

Get your ass ready because my foot is getting warmed up just in case ...