Spurs: Tim Duncan is the Greatest of all time......

[apalisoc_9]

- If you consider things like influencing your teamates to be better players.
- Doing the right things
- Being a real basketball role model
- Defense and offense
- Rings
- MVP's
- Sadly stolen DPOY

[Chris]

I'd love to agree, but Dad Killer with all his faults had so much influence tbh he had people that didn't even like basketball watching just to see him "fly". 2nd place for sure though imo

[AlexJones]

Dad Killer does deserve to be in the top 3 imo

[Caltex2]

Father Setter Upper is an all-time great in all of sports. He's one of the few trancendant superstars in any team sport and defined an era and beyond.

[spurraider21]

I'd love to agree, but Dad Killer with all his faults had so much influence tbh he had people that didn't even like basketball watching just to see him "fly". 2nd place for sure though imo

while i agree that MJ is the goat, "wanting to be watched" doesn't factor into being a better basketball player

[Buddy Mignon]

- If you consider things like influencing your teamates to be better players.
- Doing the right things
- Being a real basketball role model
- Defense and offense
- Rings
- MVP's
- Sadly stolen DPOY

How about influencing his team to defend their le... just once. How about influencing and all-star team to win a ing Gold medal instead of bringing home two bronze medals. How about influencing his wife... well... you know.

Kobe thinks Jim's defense is ty.

[hater]

Is he better than Ariza and Beal?

[Buddy Mignon]

Is he better than Ariza and Beal?

Kiwi fruit isn't.

[Killakobe81]

It's Jordan still despite his flaws ...

[scanry]

It's Jordan still despite his flaws ...

Hard to argue Dad killer had any flaws on the court tbh.

[Killakobe81]

Hard to argue Dad killer had any flaws on the court tbh.

You could easily argue he could have passed more ... because when he wanted to he was a great passer and although he didnt take as many bad shots as Kobe or Iverson, MJ also lacks the efficient shot selection of say LeBron James. Dont get me wrong, James also takes a few dumb heat checks but not as many as Jordan and of course Kobe.

[SuperCam]

He doesn't even hold kareem's jock, tbh

[Buddy Mignon]

He doesn't even hold kareem's jock, tbh

This

[Brazil]

I thought he was now a stat padder on an average team like Kevin Love

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...29#post8193529

[scanry]

You could easily argue he could have passed more ... because when he wanted to he was a great passer and although he didnt take as many bad shots as Kobe or Iverson, MJ also lacks the efficient shot selection of say LeBron James. Dont get me wrong, James also takes a few dumb heat checks but not as many as Jordan and of course Kobe.

True and he did after the 1989-90 season. He let Pippen flourish but Grant wanted more touches, BJ too. The Jordan Rules book is a very good read that went into detail. As a second year coach, Phil did an incredible job righting the ship.

I can't see anyone rival MJ's career anytime soon. He was the game's best player from 1986 till his second retirement. Never took a game off and played all the 82 games every year.

[DMC]

while i agree that MJ is the goat, "wanting to be watched" doesn't factor into being a better basketball player

Mike didn't just want to be watched. People wanted to watch him. I'm not going to go off on an appeal to popularity, but Mike was popular for more than just his high flying skills. Back then Mike wasn't even the best dunker most of the time. How popular was Dominique or Larry Nance outside of the NBA? How popular has Vince Carter ever been? He's the best dunker of all times, hands down. Mike was popular because he was a cold blooded, call his shots, confident y and able to deliver mother er. He record speaks for itself. Mike is peerless.

[DMC]

It's Jordan still despite his flaws ...

lol his flaws.. Kobe lover.

[Killakobe81]

Mike didn't just want to be watched. People wanted to watch him. I'm not going to go off on an appeal to popularity, but Mike was popular for more than just his high flying skills. Back then Mike wasn't even the best dunker most of the time. How popular was Dominique or Larry Nance outside of the NBA? How popular has Vince Carter ever been? He's the best dunker of all times, hands down. Mike was popular because he was a cold blooded, call his shots, confident y and able to deliver mother er. He record speaks for itself. Mike is peerless.

WTF is going on? I am agreeing with DMC left and rightnow? WTF?! Maybe my time here is coming to an end ... but DMC is dropping truth bombs without trollin' just straight heat rocks. He got his mojo back and now I definitely wont mess with him as previously stated .. but will enjoy his wars with other s..cheers good to have you back.

Asshole.

[Killakobe81]

lol his flaws.. Kobe lover.

But then you backslide ... jeez. It was fun while it lasted ...back to ignore. SO MJ has no flaws ... a prefect basketball player? Wait, I dont debate with you anymore please ignore.

[spurraider21]

Mike didn't just want to be watched. People wanted to watch him. I'm not going to go off on an appeal to popularity, but Mike was popular for more than just his high flying skills. Back then Mike wasn't even the best dunker most of the time. How popular was Dominique or Larry Nance outside of the NBA? How popular has Vince Carter ever been? He's the best dunker of all times, hands down. Mike was popular because he was a cold blooded, call his shots, confident y and able to deliver mother er. He record speaks for itself. Mike is peerless.

I'm aware he's peerless, and it's why I called him the GOAT. I just don't think people wanting to watch him (for whatever reason) factors into that equation.

[DMC]

I'm aware he's peerless, and it's why I called him the GOAT. I just don't think people wanting to watch him (for whatever reason) factors into that equation.

Ok then you said "wanting to be watched" which is different than "wanting to watch". I agree, popularity isn't everything, but it's also not nothing. There was a reason he was popular among even die hard NBA ballers.

[spurraider21]

Ok then you said "wanting to be watched" which is different than "wanting to watch". I agree, popularity isn't everything, but it's also not nothing. There was a reason he was popular among even die hard NBA ballers.

The context was clear given the post I was responding to

[Arcadian]

Arguably, yes.

[DMC]

The context was clear given the post I was responding to

Only if you don't understand the English language well enough to know better. The post you responded to didn't mention Michael wanting to be watched. It mentioned people wanting to watch Michael. Just say you ed up and move on, don't try to salvage it.

[Buddy Mignon]

Only if you don't understand the English language well enough to know better. The post you responded to didn't mention Michael wanting to be watched. It mentioned people wanting to watch Michael. Just say you ed up and move on, don't try to salvage it.

Oh shut up.