14 Year Old Muslim Arrested For Bringin A Clock To School

[CitizenDwayne]

I said it's up for debate. I'm impressed at how dogged detectives like Darrin are in pursuing this case, for example. If he can be su ious of their motives, why can't others be su ious of his?

Fair enough

[Chinook]

Nothing proves him to be guilty of anything either.

Every argument here is based on su ion and innuendo. Whether those are rooted in Islamophobia is up for debate, but people are sure digging for every possible angle to make it a conspiracy.

Not really. You're just painting it that way because your mind is closed to new information. You're locked into your interpretation and giving it null status. The truth is, you don't know what the truth is, so your assumptions don't have an extra power over anyone else's. It's the investigation's job to turn up the truth, not convince you you're wrong.

If he sues, his side is going to have show the school was wrong (the police being wrong is obvious, so no reason to toss that into the debate). His story absolutely deserves to be vetted. And all these things you keep trying to lump into the "conspiracy" bucket will definitely be used against him, and a good judge isn't going to elevate a news article to "true until proven otherwise" status.

[ChumpDumper]

Not really. You're just painting it that way because your mind is closed to new information. You're locked into your interpretation and giving it null status. The truth is, you don't know what the truth is, so your assumptions don't have an extra power over anyone else's, it's the investigation's job to turn up the truth, not convince you you're wrong.

If he sues, his side is going to have show the school was wrong (the police being wrong is obvious, so no reason to toss that into the debate). His story absolutely deserves to be vetted. And all these things you keep trying to lump into the "conspiracy" bucket will definitely be used against him, and a good judge isn't going to elevate a new article to "true until proven otherwise" status.

You're locked into your interpretation, which is based on su ion and innuendo. i don't see why you think your su ion and innuendo is better than anyone else's interpretation.

[Chinook]

You're locked into your interpretation, which is based on su ion and innuendo. i don't see why you think your su ion and innuendo is better than anyone else's interpretation.

You're trying to turn my argument against me, but you're doing a poor job at it. My global view on this topic is that more investigation is needed. If you think that that view isn't ironclad, then guess what? More investigation is needed. I have no issue with not thinking the world is black and white. You seem unable to accept that there are varying degrees of guilt in any incident and that the smart thing to do is to keep an open mind.

[ChumpDumper]

You're trying to turn my argument against me, but you're doing a poor job at it. My global view on this topic is that more investigation is needed. If you think that that view isn't ironclad, then guess what? More investigation is needed. I have no issue with not thinking the world is black and white. You seem unable to accept that there are varying degrees of guilt in any incident and that the smart thing to do is to keep an open mind.

You're locked into your interpretation and pretending you aren't.

It's OK to be locked into an interpretation.

What more needs to be investigated? Who will do the investigating? The interpretation you are locked into is that the family conspired to perpetuate a bomb threat. If the police don't think this is the case, what is supposed to happen here?

[Fabbs]

RumpHumper fancies himself an explosives expert.

[ChumpDumper]

RumpHumper fancies himself an explosives expert.

Flabbs is only here to talk about me.

And there have been no explosives anywhere in this discussion except for the pictures of backpacks I posted.

[Fabbs]

Flabbs is only here to talk about me.

That's actually a good one, Rumpy.
Might not be intentional but....

I've been following the reasoning.
Many think it might have had a chance, small or not of being a device.
14 year old was asked 5 times plus to put it away, he wouldn't.
Teacher decides to err on the side of caution.

Cops may not have needed to use cuffs, hence he and you have a sore vag. Some free Vagasil is in order.
Interogated without a lawyer, meh alright the little f was not charged.

You otoh have appointed yourself as explosives expert and claim that from minute one there was NO way it could have been a device.

[ChumpDumper]

That's actually a good one, Rumpy.
Might not be intentional but....

I've been following the reasoning.
Many think it might have had a chance, small or not of being a device.
14 year old was asked 5 times plus to put it away, he wouldn't.
Teacher decides to err on the side of caution.

Cops may not have needed to use cuffs, hence he and you have a sore vag. Some free Vagasil is in order.
Interogated without a lawyer, meh alright the little f was not charged.

You otoh have appointed yourself as explosives expert and claim that from minute one there was NO way it could have been a device.

No one involved ever thought it was a bomb, Flabbs.

Do you think it looks like a bomb?

[ChumpDumper]

And I'm only an expert inasmuch as I know that for a bomb to explode, there needs to be....an explosive.

What could possibly be explosive in the picture of "the device"?

[Blake]

Lol conspiracy theorists are fun

[Chinook]

What more needs to be investigated? Who will do the investigating? The interpretation you are locked into is that the family conspired to perpetuate a bomb threat. If the police don't think this is the case, what is supposed to happen here?

The first part was you being Chump. I won't play, as that's stupid. For this part, you better believe if he sues the school, teams from both sides are going to be investigating things. That's just what happens if there's a trial. Anyway, if he doesn't sue, then it means it goes down in the record books that the school didn't do anything egregious. In that case, despite what you say, your view would NOT be the null. It would be an unproven assertion supported only by hearsay that never got vetted by the judicial system.

[ChumpDumper]

The first part was you being Chump. I won't play, as that's stupid. For this part, you better believe if he sues the school, teams from both sides are going to be investigating things. That's just what happens if there's a trial. Anyway, if he doesn't sue, then it means it goes down in the record books that the school didn't do anything egregious. In that case, despite what you say, your view would NOT be the null. It would be an unproven assertion supported only by hearsay that never got vetted by the judicial system.

All your assertions are unproved yet you act as though they are.

What record books are you talking about?

Guinness?

[Chinook]

All your assertions are unproved yet you act as though they are.

What record books are you talking about?

Guinness?

Again, not going to play that game.

If this is going to be the timbre of this conversation, I'll see myself out.

This is what we're looking at: The only thing that's happened so far is that people not involved with the situation have taken sides. Nothing definitive has come up (insert obligatory police being wrong statement). The null is that nothing interesting happened -- in this case meaning that the school did not act out of line (particularly that they did not discriminate against him). It has to be demonstrated that they are at fault, as the plaintiff has the burden of proof. The defendant doesn't have to prove innocence. The idea that you have to be convinced you were wrong is silly, as the judge/jury is supposed to have the opposite philosophy.

[ChumpDumper]

Again, not going to play that game.

If this is going to be the timbre of this conversation, I'll see myself out.

This is what we're looking at: The only thing that's happened so far is that people not involved with the situation have taken sides. Nothing definitive has come up (insert obligatory police being wrong statement). The null is that nothing interesting happened -- in this case meaning that the school did not act out of line (particularly that they did not discriminate against him). It has to be demonstrated that they are at fault, as the plaintiff has the burden of proof. The defendant doesn't have to prove innocence. The idea that you have to be convinced you were wrong is silly, as the judge/jury is supposed to have the opposite philosophy.

So there are no record books?

Seriously, you think just if there is no final legal decision, nothing wrong happened?

That's like saying Nixon never did anything wrong because he was never brought up on charges.

It's in the record books.

[Chinook]

So there are no record books?

Seriously, you think just if there is no final legal decision, nothing wrong happened?

That's like saying Nixon never did anything wrong because he was never brought up on charges.

It's in the record books.

Didn't Nixon confess? Was Frost | Nixon lying?

Anyway, the "record books" is just a phrase. But I am saying that as of right now, everything is hearsay. When that's the case, the null is that the school didn't do anything egregiously wrong. There hasn't been a comprehensive investigation to determine culpability. Without that, it's literally just people's words against others'. It defaults to the negative in that case.

[ChumpDumper]

Didn't Nixon confess? Was Frost | Nixon lying?

Anyway, the "record books" is just a phrase. But I am saying that as of right now, everything is hearsay. When that's the case, the null is that the school didn't do anything egregiously wrong. There hasn't been a comprehensive investigation to determine culpability. Without that, it's literally just people's words against others'. It defaults to the negative in that case.

According to whom?

Again, what record book are you talking about?

You're making up a bunch of rules that don't exist.

[Chinook]

According to whom?

Again, what record book are you talking about?

You're making up a bunch of rules that don't exist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_burden_of_proof

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/one+for+the+books

Anything else?

[Blake]

It's a shame that everyone's minds are closed to new information. Though I guess it's also because people are getting bored.

This is what we're looking at: The only thing that's happened so far is that people not involved with the situation have taken sides. Nothing definitive has come up (insert obligatory police being wrong statement). The null is that nothing interesting happened -- in this case meaning that the school did not act out of line (particularly that they did not discriminate against him). It has to be demonstrated that they are at fault, as the plaintiff has the burden of proof. The defendant doesn't have to prove innocence. The idea that you have to be convinced you were wrong is silly, as the judge/jury is supposed to have the opposite philosophy.

So there's no new information. Let me know if you get some because I'm open to it, tbh

[ChumpDumper]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_burden_of_proof

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/one+for+the+books

Anything else?

So there is no book but Nixon did nothing wrong because the burden of proof was not met in a court of law.

[Fabbs]

No one involved ever thought it was a bomb, Flabbs.

Do you think it looks like a bomb?

OP: “She was like, it looks like a bomb,” he said.

[Fabbs]

No one involved ever thought it was a bomb, Flabbs.

Do you think it looks like a bomb?

"14-YEAR-OLD MUSLIM BOY ARRESTED FOR MAKING CLOCK MISTAKEN FOR BOMB"
http://abc7news.com/news/muslim-boy-...r-bomb/987340/

[ChumpDumper]

OP: “She was like, it looks like a bomb,” he said.

Fabbs, even you can tell there is a difference between thinking something looks like a bomb and thinking something is a bomb.

Do you think it looks like a bomb?

[ChumpDumper]

"14-YEAR-OLD MUSLIM BOY ARRESTED FOR MAKING CLOCK MISTAKEN FOR BOMB"
http://abc7news.com/news/muslim-boy-...r-bomb/987340/

If the teacher thought it was a bomb, why wasn't the entire school evacuated?

[Fabbs]

Fabbs, even you can tell there is a difference between thinking something looks like a bomb and thinking something is a bomb.

Do you think it looks like a bomb?

I'm not an explosives expert.