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Every one of your posts is somehow indirectly sucking LeBRONZE
Not one of those are major categories.
Every one of your posts is somehow indirectly sucking LeBRONZE
Every one of your posts is somehow indirectly sucking LeBRONZE
Rebounds are not a major category? FGM and FTM are not major categories? Blocks are not major categories? Stats closely related to winning aren't major categories? What are major categories then?
The biggest problem with Kareem is really the 70s, because a majority of his prime, many big name players played in the ABA, which led to weaker compe ion and boosted his WS.
What was Hakeem, Kobe and Shaq "great at" that Duncan wasn't?
We know the greatest unbreakable record Kobe have is FGM (missed, not made). Unparalleled.
And with MJ a lot of the 80's stars got old and were replaced with lessor versions. Taking a look at it Amb, WS does seem to favor bigs. I mean not many other metrics I have seen have Mikan that high. But you deal with them more ... amirite?
Well, WS actually benefits player with weaker compe ion, especially at their positions. Which isn't a coincidence old-timers really dominate this area, because compe ion really wasn't as fierce back in the day when money wasn't that big, and the movement to get better players wasn't that high.
On the other hand, this is true for every stat, but maybe not as prominently as WS.
Jordan, Lebron, Oscar all had monster WS seasons, and the reason Robinson was ranked that high was because his team was that bad, and he just led them to better than expected records year after year. CP3 had a great WS season as well, because the entire game plan was designed around him.
Mikan simply weren't ranked in VORP and BPM because the stats didn't keep them, he didn't have any. Same with Bill Russell.
Appreciate the perspective. All these stats are inherently flawed which is why I dont trust them over my eyes. But I f you use WS, PER, and VORP I think you get a pretty good idea or confirmation of great players.
Hakeem led the league in blocks 3 times and total rebounds twice. Kobe led the league in scoring twice and one of only three players to average more than 35ppg along with Wilt and Jordan. Shaq led the league in scoring twice. Jim's greatest numbers are only slightly better than his average. He averages 20ppg for his career but only was able to reach 25ppg once in a season. In other words... when Jim reaches deep down its only slightly better than what he averages. Not so for Kobe, Shaq, or Hakeem. When you factor in Jim going into his 19th season and never having missing the playoffs... he nowhere near the top 5 in points, rebounds, steals, assists, or blocks. So I ask you... what was he great at? Consistency... that's all. None of his numbers jump out at you.
Tim's best numbers are better than his average, and his average is one of the best of all time.
Adjusted for pace, Hakeem's career best was 35.8pp100 with career of 30.3, Duncan clocked in at 33.5 and a career of 30.1.
Duncan led the league in rebounds, and the only thing you like to talk about is scoring? Duncan, at least, was top 10 in multiple seasons in blocks and rebounds, what has Kobe ranked top 10 in other than scoring (or scoring and related stuff) and steals (well, and TO and missed shots)?
For all the scoring that Kobe did, his top offensive rating is 115 and 117 in the playoffs. Duncan got 116 and had 3 playoffs where his ORTG > 117, despite playing on the slower paced Spurs for all his prime.
And I haven't even gotten into DRating. Kobe's biggest ORTG DRTG difference is only 12 (as a sidekick in 99-00) and 17 in the playoffs, Duncan's was 19, and 24 in the playoffs. The two of them don't even compare.
You can adjust whatever the you like. Its the only way you'll be able to mention Jim with the others. His raw numbers are what counts.
His raw number have him leading the league in rebounds.
The more I learn about Wilt Chamberlain, the more I think he's a little underrated. I know he played against guys that weren't as strong as him or as big, but he dominated the game. I've seen videos on where some of the old players said that Wilt didn't even really use his strength on the court because he was scared he might seriously hurt someone. He didn't lower his shoulder into players like Shaq used to or do similar stuff like that. I saw someone mention that he even played more of a finesse game. Is that true? If so, I'm even more impressed.
The guy seems to have had quite a bit of skill to go along with his incredible strength and size. I wonder if he could have dominated even more if he had tried bullying players like Shaq used to do solely with his size.
I read that a couple of NBA teams even tried signing him in his mid-late 40s. I also read that he could bench press more than Shaq's best at age 60.
I wonder if people downplay him because he didn't win as many Championships as some of the other players on all-time lists? I'm sure I even heard Jordan mention him as one of the guys he'd pick as a best player of all-time. Not sure if Jordan was giving his true opinion though as I think his answer was in response to the interviewer asking Michael if he thought he was the best player of all-time. Jordan also did mention in that interview that he didn't think you can pick just one player as being the best over everyone else.
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