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He was old and out of the league two seasons before that.
He's not a great defender in ISO (never has been) but he brings enough other skills to the floor to compensate. It shouldn't be a surprise he's been a high-usage player most of his career unless you think only marquee players get real minutes. Which you don't, of course.
He was old and out of the league two seasons before that.
Jimmer sucks!
No he doesn't!
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During the lockout, you mean? Then he came back, and not much about his contributions suggested he was too old to play besides Indiana cutting him when Granger got well. You knew all that, though.
You're twisting my arguments (again).
1. I never said that role players couldn't be high usage guys.
2. Never really said Rasual is too old to play. Just was noting his age during the course of discussion.
You said his contributions were surprising, I said they shouldn't have been, you defended yourself by citing RB's year off, I reminded you about the cir stances for his year off and his trouble sticking to a team. Now you say I'm twisting your arguments, and I expect you'll next accuse me of being an apalisoc puppet. You don't have to know everything, chief -- but when you consistently defend your mistakes with ery and smoke, you don't convince anyone you're right, either.
This has nothing to do with Jimmer, he doesn't even play the same position, and the fact that SA probably has to give 7 spots to perimeter players who can actually dribble. Parker, Mills, Ginobili have injury issues. Green/KL cannot handle the ball. You really only have Ray who has any experience with ball handling, Jimmer has to be a higher percentage to make the team. Those are 7. 3 are injury concerns, and two we don't want dribbling the ball. Therefore you need a backup and a last resort - Ray and Jimmer.
I think Simmons got enough minutes at the point in the Spurs system that he may be penciled in for the 7th handler. If Butler sticks, that takes the pressure off Simmons to imitate a three.
I am not sure what you mean by this. . . Maybe that the jury is still out on Bonner, you know deliberating?
Yea I am not against him. Not only does he have chemistry and is a good teammate, but he's a professional. He will not grumble about a role, is happy to stay on the bench, and yet will stay ready and in good conditioning to play quality minutes if the team needs him to. That is very, very valuable. I might talk myself out into the Bonner camp, in fact. I guess I am just challenging others out there who assume he will be around, to realize he was partially guaranteed for a reason. He wasn't very good last year, and he was injured. He might have a repe ive use sports related injury, that could return to ruin his shooting. I do not wish him that, but that is more believable to me, than just cell phone use ruined his elbow and affected his shooting. His agent was even out sniffing other possible contracts for him, putting pressure on the Spurs to make a choice on whether to bring him back or not. To me that signals that he was not such a done deal to the Spurs as some would think.
Beyond that, there are needs at the guard and wing spots, with a ton of minutes left by CoJo and Belinelli out there and Tony and Manu leaving minutes for others between rest and injuries, and Bonner doesn't help with any of that. On the other hand, the team added quality bigs who can shoot who will soak up a lot of minutes. Overall, Bonner will bring welcomed depth but is really unlikely to play much. Probably will be in suits a lot, except when Timmy is rested.
I am not sure how much of a chance Rasual Butler has to make the team and I don't put him above anyone. I think all these guys are in play for those last couple of spots. Of all the end of the bench guys, I tend to think only Anderson is guaranteed to not get cut. He's just so young, and still on a rookie deal. You just don't give up on young guys that looks like him at this stage. I think they are unlikely to cut McCallum either. They just absolutely need PG depth with Parker looking the way he has been looking, and they traded an asset for him. I personally think they keep Jimmer if he comes in shooting well.
Last year both Tony and Mills were injured and the team went for almost a third of the season with just Cojo out there. I don't think Pop wants to be in a situation like that again. It may be Simmons and Bonner who are possibly battling it out. I like Simmons for his defense more than the highlights plays TBH. That is the one reason I think he sticks, so for me the one who could be beat by a Rasual Butler could be Bonner.
Its all speculation at this point, but its interesting nonetheless.
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I would highly disagree. Simmons averaged 3apg in summer league, but he didn't have a 1:1 A/TO. Thats pretty bad. I would not want him playing point, if he cannot give SA a positive A/TO ratio in summer.
Between a combination of Green and Simmons defensively and a combination of Ginobili, Anderson and Simmons offensively, Fredette is not making this team on the count of him being able to serve as a fourth/emergency PG.
As I said a few months ago, I'm not surprised that Butler is at camp, but I am surprised that Pop said "he has a good chance to make the team". Not so much that they'd think that internally, but that he'd externalize it.
I wouldn't put a ton of stock in SL ratios when the Spurs have a much larger body of work to look at.
That's the concern for sure. He made careless passes that got through due to the lack of elite athleticism of the compe ion. That's the kind of thing that we will have to see transfer before giving him lock status.
Still has the edge over Jimmer by a wide margin, though.
I actually don't think Pop does media just for the publicity. If he has a good chance, he has a good chance. He has a good a chance as any of the guys we are talking about here.
I didn't say he did. I suspected he'd come with something along the lines of "we'll take a look at him, see if he has anything left", which is essentially what he said in the cases of Simmons and Maggette.
I think what it indicates, is what I said a few months ago, which was that the half guarantee for Fredette was more so about what it took to sign him at the time and them not being thrilled enough with the alternatives to risk him going elsewhere, than it was a sign that he was guaranteed to be on the team until January 10th.
I watched him a lot in the D'league. I watched a lot of D'league games when the Spurs went on a loosing spree in February and sent Anderson to the D'league. He just so happened to have a terrific few games and was named player of the month in February and the Austin Spurs were 8-1 on February. At the end of February they lost Cotton, who went to Utah and asked Simmons to handle the ball like a PG. It really worsened his TO stats, and convinced me he really can't be an NBA PG if he could not handle the ball pressure at the D'league. He can be a good wing player though, if his defense and shooting translates.
From February 24, 2015 on when they lost Cotton, watch his turnovers. Some games with 7 and 8!!
http://stats.nbadleague.com/playerGa...rowsPerPage=25
Butler looked far from done last year, and he's supposedly mentoring the young wings -- which was an underrated need on the team with Anderson and Simmons being so fresh and Leonard and Green still having some room for growth. I think that's a better recent track record than Simmons or Maggette had.
It's hard to conclude that Butler couldn't sponge up minutes and potentially step up in case of injury during the regular season.
I know (though he inevitably came crashing back down to earth in the second half), but I still thought Pop would say that, since it's his go to line with players in his situation.
Ultimately, despite Fredette's sizable guarantee, all things being relatively equal, I suspect Butler beats him out.
You're starting to sound a lot like apalisoc. I may say way too similar.
Yeah, and it's not like his assist numbers ed. He also doesn't have the best handle, so even is driving ability is vulnerable. Still, playing PG probably gave him a new perspective on the game and the offense, so he should be able to make the right pass and use his athleticism to make the some things happen due to having more threats around him. Again, this TC is probably most important for him, as he's the only player (along with perhaps Butler) who both has a chance to be a consistent rotation player and a chance to be cut. And since he's almost certain to be claimed, I doubt Simmons' guaranteed money prevents his release if it comes to it.
I do think that like Simmons, Jimmer would get claimed if waived, so I think the Spurs may not worry about that. , I think even Bonner has a good chance of getting claimed if released. Those final three spots are truly up for grabs. The only unfortunate thing about camp is that with all the new faces, the main guys are going to have to play a lot to develop chemistry. So we aren't going to see as much garbage lineups as we're used to seeing, despite those lineups having more intrigue than usual.
Yeah, good point. If they knew there was another team(s) willing to give him the same deal and they didn't later fill his role with a fully guaranteed veteran, then they probably figure he'll get claimed if waived, in which case they'd essentially get a free look.
I get the rationale, but I don't really think Bonner's or even Simmons' spots are up for grabs. I don't even really think Thomas or Williams have a legit chance. I think it's Butler vs Fredette for one spot.
He started for the Wizard when Pierce was injured last season & didn't look any worse than Marco. He's most likely going to be the designated sniper off the bench & might even get some starters when someone is resting or injured. He fills a need since the rest of the players competing for the last roster spot can't pass for a wing (for defensive purposes) &/or aren't knock down shooters.
Tony/Patty/Ray
Danny/Manu/Simmons
Kawhi/Kyle/Butler
LMA/D-West/Bonner
Tim/Diaw/Boban
On this I agree with you fully. Neither Simmons, nor Anderson are knockdown shooters and that could be a problem. We just don't know at this stage how they will do. The other shooters Spurs got aren't truly wing options (Jimmer and Bonner).
I read this article from Michael Erler at http://www.poundingtherock.com/2015/...name-to-roster
Not a writer I like at all, but he does have some insight on some interviews from Pop today.
"He's a seasoned pro in the sense that he knows himself, he knows what role he could play, he's at the stage of his career where he just wants to be a part of something that's positive and good," Popovich said of the signing. "He obviously can shoot the basketball, if he couldn't shoot we wouldn't be talking to him. You gotta have a skill to play. So for all those reasons he's somebody who has a great shot to make our team."
Also this tidbit about Jimmer: When asked about Fredette specifically, Pop replied, "He's a shooter, he's a scorer, and we're looking for that type of thing to add to the team. People always look at the big guys, but we started last season thinking that not having Patty Mills is going to be a big factor for us, and it was huge. It took him a long time... first of all you don't have him for the first half, and then it took him a long time to get back into the flow. And this year Marco (Belinelli) not being here is important. He came off the bench and helped us in a lot of games and I think that's a big concern."
(Sorry if the formatting is weird, posting from tablet.)
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