Harrison Barnes turns down 4yr/64mill...LoL

[NikosChelsea7]

Big Dummy, back in November Tony was actually an above average point guard & the Warriors were still learning the ropes under a new coach.

But , we were also playing without Splitter , Mills and Belinelli. Bonner played 24 minutes , Joseph played 20 and Baynes played 13 minutes. Anyway , I just posted this because you mentioned our 3rd game against the Warriors and posted a recap of the 2nd one , so I just wanted to post the highlights of our first game against them , that's all.

[SAGirl]

Harrison Barnes isn't a shooter ala Demarre Carroll, Barnes simply can hit open shots to keep the defense honest & the majority of his shots happen to be WIDE OPEN b/c he the 4th/5th option. If the Grizz sign him to spread the floor then it's going to be a disaster. He's basically an undersized power-forward from the 80s who can knockdown open shots. Jeff Green on the other hand is a small forward that can't consistently knockdown open shots but can drop 30 on you when his shot is falling.

Undersized Pf like a Paul Millsap have value if they can defend bigger guys and still be agile and quick to beat them on the other end, knocking a 3 pt shot, sprinting down court and making off the dribble plays. That was a big aspect of what helped GSW against guys like ZBo, who Barnes defended a lot. Obviously ZBo is old and what not, but he's still a bull that very few young guys of Barnes size can deal with. He's 22 and that is a big selling point. Not saying I am a big fan of his, frankly I don't watch many GSW games and for next year, other than Durant, I personally like Batum better among available SF. Still I can't deny Barnes value. GSW obviously want to avoid having to bargain with Barnes if he hits the restricted market. He may get too much or a poison pill contract from someone.

[Kawhitstorm]

But , we were also playing without Splitter , Mills and Belinelli. Bonner played 24 minutes , Joseph played 20 and Baynes played 13 minutes. Anyway , I just posted this because you mentioned our 3rd game against the Warriors and posted a recap of the 2nd one , so I just wanted to post the highlights of our first game against them , that's all.

I was aware of it but Splitter would have been unplayable against the Warriors & Patty/Belly would get murdered on defense. Back in the November game, Manu was the best bench player while Iggy was MIA, Curry didn't make a single 3 & got outplayed by Tony which is something that would have been far-fetched in the postseason.

The February game is a much better barometer as BOTH teams had all their horses & the Tony/Curry match-up turned out like it would have in the postseason along w/ Iggy showing up.

[exstatic]

Big Dummy, back in November Tony was actually an above average point guard & the Warriors were still learning the ropes under a new coach.

Big Dummy, they beat that Warrior ass 107-92 in April, too. That was two weeks before the playoffs began.

[Kawhitstorm]

Undersized Pf like a Paul Millsap have value if they can defend bigger guys and still be agile and quick to beat them on the other end, knocking a 3 pt shot, sprinting down court and making off the dribble plays. That was a big aspect of what helped GSW against guys like ZBo, who Barnes defended a lot. Obviously ZBo is old and what not, but he's still a bull that very few young guys of Barnes size can deal with. He's 22 and that is a big selling point. Not saying I am a big fan of his, frankly I don't watch many GSW games and for next year, other than Durant, I personally like Batum better among available SF. Still I can't deny Barnes value. GSW obviously want to avoid having to bargain with Barnes if he hits the restricted market. He may get too much or a poison pill contract from someone.

Millsap is stronger than Barnes, has an enormous wingspan & better offensive repertoires. Not to mention he's actually quicker than Barnes on defense, just watch Millsap guarding Lebron then compare it to Barnes trying to guard Lebron. Besidse, Barnes was getting help from Bogut when he was checking Z-Bo & actually Kerr made the switch b/c Bogut was a better help defender. Barnes had no chance against Tristan Thompson when he had to block him out & would get killed on the boards if he ever played stretch 4 as a starter.

[NikosChelsea7]

I was aware of it but Splitter would have been unplayable against the Warriors & Patty/Belly would get murdered on defense. Back in the November game, Manu was the best bench player while Iggy was MIA, Curry didn't make a single 3 & got outplayed by Tony which is something that would have been far-fetched in the postseason.

The February game is a much better barometer as BOTH teams had all their horses & the Tony/Curry match-up turned out like it would have in the postseason along w/ Iggy showing up.

Well , I have to agree with that. Goodnight.

[SAGirl]

Millsap is stronger than Barnes, has an enormous wingspan & better offensive repertoires. Not to mention he's actually quicker than Barnes on defense, just watch Millsap guarding Lebron then compare it to Barnes trying to guard Lebron. Besidse, Barnes was getting help from Bogut when he was checking Z-Bo & actually Kerr made the switch b/c Bogut was a better help defender. Barnes had no chance against Tristan Thompson when he had to block him out & would get killed on the boards if he ever played stretch 4 as a starter.

You some valid points here. I haven't watched GSW enough to dispute any of this. Barnes has looked good when I have watched him though and he's not a guy who you can afford to ignore on defense to stifle his teammates. He's also an integral part of what makes their switch defense workable. He's not the most important cog in that defense, but he's very valuable. It will be tough for GSW to replace him and they will be a weaker team without him. Iggy is also getting older whereas Barnes is young and far from a finished product at 22. He could be very important for that team in the future to continue at the level elite they have been. Their concern is that Barnes is not as good as Iggy and when they had Barnes playing as the centerpiece of their bench he wasn't as good, that is why they switched him w/ Iggy. Valid points too, but he has the leverage bc of the cap situation, his success and youth. I hardly think Tristan is a max player, and yet here he is wanting the max. These teams will have to overpay their guys to keep them next summer and they know it. I'm unsure on Barnes but he's versatile and young enough to get interest from someone. With rising cap and these two young guys being so young still, in Tristan's case being also a kind of sturdy ironman some teams may already be in their radar.

Edit: Tristan killed Millsap and pretty much everyone he encountered on the boards too. You sacrifice rebounding when you go small. A lesson learned by Pop in game 6 of 2013 finals. Th issue is can your team be so awesome at small ball as to pull that off? Hawks weren't. GsW was last year, although they did not face 2 of the best teamz thAt have given them trouble in Clippers and Spurs, and everyone avoided the Thunder who were not healthy. I don't think they repeat, but that is a subject for another thread.