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It does sound like they are looking to replace the shooting aspect of Marco's game, even if sometimes they play other guys, which is kind of perplexing as they let Jarrel Eddie go (who was then picked up by the warriors).
Pop loves shooters & Butler is actually a need rather than a luxury thus I don't see why he won't stick if he can play like last season. Jimmer would have been a decent insurance for Patty but the media people are raving about Patty's workout so Jimmer would just be a luxury as long as Patty is healthy.
It does sound like they are looking to replace the shooting aspect of Marco's game, even if sometimes they play other guys, which is kind of perplexing as they let Jarrel Eddie go (who was then picked up by the warriors).
Jarrel couldn't even keep up w/ his own shadow & would have made Belly seem like Tony Allen (Jarrel is basically a dark skinned Steve Novak). Butler on the other hand proved last season he can be serviceable in the regular season against NBA quality wing players & is a pretty darn good shooter himself.
But they did not know until the literal eleventh hour that Butler would agree to a cheap training camp deal. There has to be something behind close doors we don't know beyond that. They might just have been lucky to get Butler for a training camp make good deal. Not sure what Eddie got from the Warriors, but it's a look by a different team.
Butler probably couldn't get a deal from a contender & most likely turned down pretenders.
Damn I remember RB being a solid contributor for the Wiz last year..He'd be a great backup/insurance option for the team. Like most have already said, it looks like Jimmer is really going to have a standout TC. I think Jimmer and McCallum cancel each other out with the edge going to Ray.
Butler had a great year last year all things considered got some lift back in his legs and still has a relatively quick step. The year before that I was thinking he was done. It was a nice bounce back year.
He definitely can contribute some this year and I want him on the spurs instead of jimmer. But if pop is comfortable with Simmons and Anderson contributing then what's the point to carry Butler. Butlers future with the spurs is contingent upon how Simmons and Anderson look in camp.
Bottom line, Butler isn't a guy who creates offense - which is what you'd expect from a training camp invitee. His play has a lot more to do with the players around him than with his age. Put him on a team, and he pretty much goes to with them. Put him on a decent team that can get him some open looks, and he's pretty good at knocking them down. If you think the Spurs are a good team this year, then he's probably a positive addition. He's not a defensive stopper, but he's comfortably average, which is all you should expect from a training camp invitee.
I didn't check, but I expect he's played in fewer playoff games than Patty Mills. But he's been around long enough to be pretty well-seasoned. If this is really a team that is one of the favorites for the LOB, then they are going to need to be solid all the time, and not just some of the time. Butler is a lot more likely to be steady than Jimmer.
My opinion, the future is this year for the Spurs. They can worry about next year... next year. This season should be all about tweaking last year's near-miss team, and getting #6. I expect that's why they are looking at RB vs. Fredette.
Last edited by GSH; 09-29-2015 at 12:28 PM.
Spurs going all win this year
Yea, I really think that last spot specifically will go to the guy who performed the best, but if both Jimmer and Butler perform well enough, it's going to depend on how other guys do and is totally out of their control. Like rataspur said above, if Simmons and Anderson look good and make Rasual Butler look like a luxury, that decreases his appeal. On the other hand, if Tony continues to look awful and you can foresee a season where guard depth is going to be a huge need, you might regret not picking up Jimmer for the season.
Bottom line, if both Jimmer and Butler shoot well, its going to depend on what the team needs the most. Veteran help to mentor Kyle and Simmons? An old vet to possibly come and knock down some shots if these guys are having a cold night? That is Butler. Does the team need more guard depth instead? Does it look like Tony and Manu will need more rest than you thought? Are you convinced fully that you will not regret going for a few games of the season (hopefully just a few) with less guard depth if there are injuries? Then that's Jimmer you want.
I really can't give the edge to one guy or another without seeing how everyone else is performing and foreseeing what will be a bigger need for the team. Kyle and Simmons are not known shooters though, that is why Butler is here. I tend to agree that its Jimmer vs. Butler. Jimmer being younger and a more dynamic scorer if he gets going, kind of makes me root for him, but its really on him to play well.
Butler won't be on this team.
Is that you, rc?
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What are Butler's 3 point percentages anyway? I don't think they are remarkably better than either Simmons or Anderson.
We absolutely have to assume that both Parker and Ginobili will be taking a lot of rest. In fact, the probability that either one of them isn't healthy come play off time is extremely high. Therefore, those two spots absolutely need a capable backup.
Parker is backed up by McCallum and Fredette
Ginobili is backed up either by Simmons or Anderson. Anderson can orchestrate offense, but Simmons can slash like Ginobili.
I don't see Spurs needing a stiff like Buttler backing up a missing Ginobili.
HE WAS A NEGATIVE 3 IN PER FOR THE PLAYOFFS....
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All things considered.
Consider this - in 2013-14 he logged less than 500 minutes on the season. Last year he had a defined role on a playoff team. Sounds like a definite improvement and a great season when compared to the season before.
Playing 7 minutes a game on a team one year and more than doubling that the next year is a bounce back season at 35.
His per for regular season last year - 11.44
Jimmers per for last season - under 10
Rasual can ing shoot.. Not sure another 1 dimensional shooter is needed considering Bonner is the golden jew who never gets injured
I would take Butler over Williams, no question.
13-14 he had better shooting stats and winshare per 48.
14-15 he had a lower PER during the regular season, than 13/14, despite playing 1500 minutes. He also had a lower shooting percentage than the previous year. Then he gets to the playoffs, on a good team, and plays like dog . Why would SA want that? So he could sub during the regular season then never play during the playoffs, or even worse, play and suck during the playoffs? I see no upside with him over a younger player that SA could groom into the 15th man.
Idiot, he barely played in the playoffs b/c Wittman all of a sudden decided he was going to ride Otto Potter & play Pierce at the 4. Rasual did his job which was to eat up minutes to keep Pierce fresh for the postseason. His job w/ the Spurs will be to eat up minutes at the wing to keep Danny/Kawhi/Manu fresh & mentor Simmons/Kyle without ing/whining unlike Stephen Jackson/Finley. Come playoff time he will just be a situational player ala Bonner.
Last edited by Kawhitstorm; 09-29-2015 at 08:35 PM.
Good post. Dude has proven himself over the course of a decade and is still serviceable. Jimmer, OTOH, has proven nothing in the NBA.
However, as I said earlier, if Anderson and Simmons don't look like dog in training camp then Butler will not make this team.
All this back and forth banter is immaterial though. If patfo has to count on key contributions coming from either of these players then the anic has already sprung a leak. Minute eaters at best should be the ceiling for either player
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