Jimmer Fredette to the Spurs (Update: Mostly Non-Guaranteed Training Camp Deal)

[rasuo214]

If I had just read this thread I'd think Jimmer gets blocked on all his three point attempts. If his defense is decent I expect him to make the team.

His defense is atrocious. If he isn't hitting 3s at a high rate he isn't worth a roster spot, period.

[Ice009]

His defense is atrocious. If he isn't hitting 3s at a high rate he isn't worth a roster spot, period.

If his defense is that bad, I don't want him. I'm defense first, second, third. I just don't know if I can accept much of a drop off on the defensive end of the court. I want to see the team improve on that end of the court, and it's going to be hard with Tiago being gone, but still, I certainly don't want players who are really bad on that end of the court that can cause the team defense to get worse. That is not something I am interested in seeing at all.

If Parker stinks on the defensive end again this season, then I want to see him benched until he gets his head out of his ass and starts playing even some average defense. TP can play above average defense, I've seen him do it before, so I don't know why he was so poor last season. I don't want to see that horrendous defense I saw from his last season. Same with Patty, I'd like to see him keep improving on that end of the court.

With Ray McCallum, I'm going to be watching how he performs on defense. People keep talking about his shooting, but I'm most interested in his defense. Hopefully he has some potential on that end of the court and can use some of his athleticism to become a decent defender. Same with Simmons, I'm really interested in his defensive potential to go along with his slashing to the basket.

[Gladney to see you]

Jimmer spaces the floor whether he shoots quickly or not. Offense isn't an issue in the least IMO. It is his defense. Coaches can't put him on the floor because he gets Pick and rolled every time. That being said, if he makes the team Vinnie Del Negro will be off the hook.

[Spurtacular]

“He's a shooter,” Popovich said about Fredette. “He's a scorer, and we're looking for that type of thing to add to the team. People always look at the big guys. But we started last season thinking that not having Patty Mills is going to be a big factor for us. And it was huge. First of all you don't have him for the first half, and then it took him a long time to get back into the flow. And this year Marco [Belinelli] not being here is important. He came off the bench and helped us in a lot of games and I think that's a big concern."

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-...ps-and-his-dog

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Kind of makes it sound like it's his roster spot to lose. Pop wouldn't be talking about filling a role of a rotation player for a guy who may not even make the team.

[SsKSpurs21]

Kind of makes it sound like it's his roster spot to lose. Pop wouldn't be talking about filling a role of a rotation player for a guy who may not even make the team.

true. i think given the right opportunity, Jimmer can be a surprise. he can be that difference maker who comes in cold and if he gets hot could rile off 10-12 points a la steve kerr circa 2003.

[benefactor]

Unfortunately, Jimmer is a smaller, tier version of Beli.

[benefactor]

Simmons will probably be taking Belis minutes after it's all said and done.

[cd98]

Simmons will probably be taking Belis minutes after it's all said and done.

Maybe, but he'll have to earn it. People doubting Jimmer and giving Simmons a free pass just because he lit up the D-League this summer. Yes, summer league is the D-League.

[cd98]

BTW, Simmons looked good in summer league, but had some God-awful turnovers. Turnovers that will get you permanently benched when Pop is coaching. We all know Pop doesn't give young players the benefit of the doubt. So I would hold back any thoughts that he'll have a consistent role until he actually proves it by making the roster and earning playing time.

[ceperez]

BTW, Simmons looked good in summer league, but had some God-awful turnovers. Turnovers that will get you permanently benched when Pop is coaching. We all know Pop doesn't give young players the benefit of the doubt. So I would hold back any thoughts that he'll have a consistent role until he actually proves it by making the roster and earning playing time.

There were only 2 players in that SL team that could create for themselves. He had to force the issue.

The problem though is that, with the Spurs, Simmons won't be dribbling the ball. So we'll see how his game will translate. I see him more of a Ginobili backup, so perhaps in those situations, he'll be dribbling the ball.

[SAGirl]

Simmons will probably be taking Belis minutes after it's all said and done.

I am actually betting on Kyle Anderson. I am ready to lose the bet bc he's young and may not put his whole game together on just his second year in the league, but he has a more skilled game and a higher ceiling. Simmons is athletic, but his game depends on his athleticism, and in the NBA guys are much better than he is at what he does. He could come in and look like a scrub. He is also average in size and length and will be a rookie. I want to see him do well, and I like him a lot too I just see him as Manu's backup. I think Anderson will be much better and a true SF. The potential he has to cause matchup problems for benches will be golden. Do you put your best bench defender on Ginobili? Watch Anderson repeat SL performances against all sort of small bench dudes you want to throw at him. Heck I could see the occasional Kawhi and Anderson wing lineups there and moving Green to play with Manu some. Both Kawhi and Anderson can handle the ball, bother shooters and get deflections with those long arms. I could see some Anderson at the 4 with both Kahwi and Danny and LMA at the 5, specially against teams that like to play perimeter a ton and will want to pull Timmy or whomever away from the paint. Again, Anderson has to defend at a high level for that to work, but this guy could be incredible for the Spurs in years to come, way way better than Simmons TBH.

[Nathan89]

Simmons better get the minutes over that slow . He's a better creator than KA and his turnovers will go down with Patty, Manu, and Diaw all pitching in to create offense. We need athleticism not a slow ball-stopper who can't shoot or play defense.

Also Jimmer is a better replacement for Simmons, Patty, or Manu. Not seeing much use of acquiring Rasual as a replacement to anyone.

[SAGirl]

Simmons better get the minutes over that slow . He's a better creator than KA and his turnovers will go down with Patty, Manu, and Diaw all pitching in to create offense. We need athleticism not a slow ball-stopper who can't shoot or play defense.

Also Jimmer is a better replacement for Simmons, Patty, or Manu. Not seeing much use of acquiring Rasual as a replacement to anyone.

Everyone is en led to his or her opinion. I have mine and we'll see.
I would say also no need to insult other players to prop up your guy, that is so anti spur, but that is the way this forum operates, so what can you do??? Peace!

[BillMc]

I am actually betting on Kyle Anderson. I am ready to lose the bet bc he's young and may not put his whole game together on just his second year in the league, but he has a more skilled game and a higher ceiling. Simmons is athletic, but his game depends on his athleticism, and in the NBA guys are much better than he is at what he does. He could come in and look like a scrub. He is also average in size and length and will be a rookie. I want to see him do well, and I like him a lot too I just see him as Manu's backup. I think Anderson will be much better and a true SF. The potential he has to cause matchup problems for benches will be golden. Do you put your best bench defender on Ginobili? Watch Anderson repeat SL performances against all sort of small bench dudes you want to throw at him. Heck I could see the occasional Kawhi and Anderson wing lineups there and moving Green to play with Manu some. Both Kawhi and Anderson can handle the ball, bother shooters and get deflections with those long arms. I could see some Anderson at the 4 with both Kahwi and Danny and LMA at the 5, specially against teams that like to play perimeter a ton and will want to pull Timmy or whomever away from the paint. Again, Anderson has to defend at a high level for that to work, but this guy could be incredible for the Spurs in years to come, way way better than Simmons TBH.

Nice post. Yeah, I'm excited by Anderson's potential and the matchup nightmare he could be. Yes, he could still turn out to be a bust, but the signs are pretty positive. We'll find out soon, I think.

[Spurtacular]

BTW, Simmons looked good in summer league, but had some God-awful turnovers. Turnovers that will get you permanently benched when Pop is coaching. We all know Pop doesn't give young players the benefit of the doubt. So I would hold back any thoughts that he'll have a consistent role until he actually proves it by making the roster and earning playing time.

He'll still earn minutes at key stretches if he's the real deal on defense.

[cd98]

There were only 2 players in that SL team that could create for themselves. He had to force the issue.

The problem though is that, with the Spurs, Simmons won't be dribbling the ball. So we'll see how his game will translate. I see him more of a Ginobili backup, so perhaps in those situations, he'll be dribbling the ball.

Naw, he had some careless turnovers in the open court. I hope he can contribute off the bench. But summer league greatness rarely translates in the NBA. It's a different level. I wouldn't assume he will get minutes.

[SAGirl]

Nice post. Yeah, I'm excited by Anderson's potential and the matchup nightmare he could be. Yes, he could still turn out to be a bust, but the signs are pretty positive. We'll find out soon, I think.

Yup you are right. Just to point out, I am not sure he develops his game fully this year because he's so young and his game relies on his skill and his BBIQ. He needs opportunities to grow and the Spurs are famous for bringing young guys along slowly, specially young guys who are still developing their games. He has the potential to be a special player for the Spurs at some point though. He's more perimeter oriented than a Diaw, who plays a lot inside and is a real bull against perimeter players. They are different, but both have that x-factor that can unlock a lineup in ways no other guys can. Manu has that factor too, he's just a superstar and future hall of fame player of course. But not every superstar has that factor and not every guy who has that factor needs to be superstar.

Just really, really smart players that raise the BBIQ level of your ballclub. I am really high on his potential, and it doesn't mean he's ready to do what I stated right now, but he'll get chances when the opportunity presents itself and he's been much more aggressive than he was as a rookie. I don't think he'll draw fouls like he did in SL (you have to account for all the Dayes and Ayers types there who are just foul prone), but he'll still catch guys off balance. He's tough to time, bc he throws a lot of fakes, so you can't be all exuberant around him. That is how he makes his defender slow down to his level. His issues are on the defensive end, but I think he's made progress. I can understand ppl not liking his style, but you have to kind of appreciate how crafty he is. I am not sure he puts his game together this year, but I would like to at least see glimpses of the mismatches and he will need time and chemistry playing with guys to unlock his passing ability. But he certainly has a higher ceiling in terms of what he could potentially do for the team than Simmons for example, who I also like.

I think ultimately both Simmons and Kyle will get minutes as backup SF. Pop is barely getting to know these guys and will go all Cojo/Mills on them, switching to flavor of the month most likely and also finding out who works better with the bench lineups. We are likely to see both guys, and even some others thrown in there at times.

[NASpurs]

*edit* nvm Spurtacular already posted it, of course

[RayTdropout]

65 pages of disgrace

[AFBlue]

65 pages of disgrace

What's a disgrace is the 65 one-page spamming threads from people who would prefer to bash Spurs players than promote them. I'd rather have a debate on whether Jimmer will succeed with the Spurs than wade through the pages of bull threads about Parker or Kawhi.

[BatManu20]

^What he said. 65 pages for Jimmer is a bit ridiculous, but it's a of a lot better than the absurd amount of 1-2 page threads that have been popping up daily on ST the past few months, mostly consisting of hate for Spurs players or some other unequivocally dumb bull .

[benefactor]

I am actually betting on Kyle Anderson. I am ready to lose the bet bc he's young and may not put his whole game together on just his second year in the league, but he has a more skilled game and a higher ceiling. Simmons is athletic, but his game depends on his athleticism, and in the NBA guys are much better than he is at what he does. He could come in and look like a scrub. He is also average in size and length and will be a rookie. I want to see him do well, and I like him a lot too I just see him as Manu's backup. I think Anderson will be much better and a true SF. The potential he has to cause matchup problems for benches will be golden. Do you put your best bench defender on Ginobili? Watch Anderson repeat SL performances against all sort of small bench dudes you want to throw at him. Heck I could see the occasional Kawhi and Anderson wing lineups there and moving Green to play with Manu some. Both Kawhi and Anderson can handle the ball, bother shooters and get deflections with those long arms. I could see some Anderson at the 4 with both Kahwi and Danny and LMA at the 5, specially against teams that like to play perimeter a ton and will want to pull Timmy or whomever away from the paint. Again, Anderson has to defend at a high level for that to work, but this guy could be incredible for the Spurs in years to come, way way better than Simmons TBH.

Yeah...I was thinking more along the lines of Anderson getting minutes at backup 3/small ball 4 and Simmons being more of a 2/3 like Green. Spurs have a good problem in that there are lots of interchangeable parts so different players can fill in at different roles depending on match ups/performance. This is why I think if Jimmer does make the team he will spend a lot of time in a suit. There's really no minutes for him unless someone gets injured or there is a game where rotation players need to be rested.

[SAGirl]

What's a disgrace is the 65 one-page spamming threads from people who would prefer to bash Spurs players than promote them. If rather have a debate on whether Jimmer will succeed with the Spurs than wade through the pages of bull threads about Parker or Kawhi.

Well said sir!

[BillMc]

What's a disgrace is the 65 one-page spamming threads from people who would prefer to bash Spurs players than promote them. If rather have a debate on whether Jimmer will succeed with the Spurs than wade through the pages of bull threads about Parker or Kawhi.

Amen.