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    claiming to know what is or not is in Kawhis head

    I'm just judging by facts.
    If not barnes, then a couple of marbles and jax, bitten of crayons etc

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    Game planners were a little shaken by this one tbh.

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    We all have the one player we don't match up well with. Bowen outplayed Kobe a few times. It happens.

    It's interesting that the Barnes matchup is what gets pointed out almost exclusively when folks try to knock KL. Truth is that's a fairly limited critique considering his contributions to the team.

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    Anyways, Kawhi was pretty bad in the latter part of the series, could have played better, had virtually nothing to do with Barnes..overall, he wasn't one of the top 5 reasons the Spurs lose the series, and part of his struggles late in the series were due to cir stance and alteration of role, but hopefully he continues to improve his footwork and go-to moves..

    Realistically, though, even if he improves and you put him in the same position again, the team would probably still fail due to the 5-man personnel on the floor and it's limitations..too easy for teams to defend with Parker on the floor + Duncan's inability to make jump shots + Kawhi's inconsistent J..fortunately, Aldridge will help change that..

    Teams with a SF(that isn't a point-forward like Lebron and Bird, extremely rare) as a #1 option generally fail to win, anyways..
    Why do you constantly change the narrative to suit whatever point you attempt to argue? Other elite small forwards not named Bird or LeBron, namely Rick Barry and Julius Erving, have won NBA les as the "alpha" on the team.

    Kawhi sucked towards the end of that series plain and simple. You can attempt to spin it in a variety of ways, but what matters is the result and the fact that he played very poorly (on both ends of the court) at times.

    Of course the spacing had been compromised - with Parker playing worse than Leonard, Green losing his touch/rhythm from outside, Splitter being a liability do to injury and Duncan not being able to hit from mid range - making even more difficult to operate. Yet, he missed a ton of shots he usually makes and just looked tentative being asked to lead the team. He was the complete opposite of the guy we had seen from '11 - '13. I chalk it up as a learning experience and with LaMarcus around he doesn't have to shoulder that burden alone next time.

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    We all have the one player we don't match up well with. Bowen outplayed Kobe a few times. It happens.

    It's interesting that the Barnes matchup is what gets pointed out almost exclusively when folks try to knock KL. Truth is that's a fairly limited critique considering his contributions to the team.

    Only on ST and only by certain posters.

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    Could it be that it happened only weeks ago and resulted in a 1st round loss???

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    Could it be that it happened only weeks ago and resulted in a 1st round loss???
    Lol, weeks ago. 5 months ago.

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    Lol, weeks ago. 5 months ago.
    A 5 month long offseason. Only a Kawhi-led team is capable of that..

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    A 5 month long offseason. Only a Kawhi-led team is capable of that..
    2011 Grizzlies say o (TP led that Spurs team -- at least in pts)

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    Remember when Pop was begging Barnes not to sub in -- at least for a few more minutes?

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    Why do you constantly change the narrative to suit whatever point you attempt to argue? Other elite small forwards not named Bird or LeBron, namely Rick Barry and Julius Erving, have won NBA les as the "alpha" on the team.

    Kawhi sucked towards the end of that series plain and simple. You can attempt to spin it in a variety of ways, but what matters is the result and the fact that he played very poorly (on both ends of the court) at times.

    Of course the spacing had been compromised - with Parker playing worse than Leonard, Green losing his touch/rhythm from outside, Splitter being a liability do to injury and Duncan not being able to hit from mid range - making even more difficult to operate. Yet, he missed a ton of shots he usually makes and just looked tentative being asked to lead the team. He was the complete opposite of the guy we had seen from '11 - '13. I chalk it up as a learning experience and with LaMarcus around he doesn't have to shoulder that burden alone next time.

    - What narratives have I changed to suit my argument?
    - Rick Barry wasn't even in the modern NBA( 70s basketball), and Erving was never the number 1 on a le team, he was actually pretty terrible offensively in the 83 playoffs, you're making up
    - Saying score-first SFs shouldn't lead your team isn't defending Kawhi, clearly(almost the opposite), its reiterating the point that players in his role don't lead offenses to les(even elite scoring SFs like Durant and Carmelo are too difficult to build around)
    - The rest of your post is just cliches and unquantifiable narrative , tbh, this isn't sports talk radio..

    It's just too difficult to build an offense around a SF that doesn't run everything like Lebron, its difficult to get those guys in their preferred spots while running an efficient offense, and it often leads to questionable usage, evident in the constant Westbrook vs. Durant meltdowns and Parker's dribble-dribble habits..not to mention a Spurs system that treats the wing players like spot-up shooters and does not play to their strengths, see: Richard Jefferson, for example(which Pop himself had said in the past regarding Kawhi needing more plays called for him)

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    Not going to read through this topic because I'm sure it's full of the same bull as always, but what disappointed me with Kawhi in the LAC series wasn't his offense. It was his defense. He did a great job on Re to start, but then as the series went on he was basically non-existent on that end. I still think it's a bit unrealistic to expect Kawhi to become some 20+ ppg scorer with great efficiency, but what makes him so great is he doesn't have to score like that to be the best player on the court. Usually he can still have great impact even if he only scores 12-14 points. That wasn't the case against the Clippers though, and that's what surprised me most.

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    Not going to read through this topic because I'm sure it's full of the same bull as always, but what disappointed me with Kawhi in the LAC series wasn't his offense. It was his defense. He did a great job on Re to start, but then as the series went on he was basically non-existent on that end. I still think it's a bit unrealistic to expect Kawhi to become some 20+ ppg scorer with great efficiency, but what makes him so great is he doesn't have to score like that to be the best player on the court. Usually he can still have great impact even if he only scores 12-14 points. That wasn't the case against the Clippers though, and that's what surprised me most.
    This is a pretty good point. Kawhi was playing great offense and defense in the first few games, so I don't know if he was getting exhausted chasing around some of their smaller guards. But, then again, he's in his early 20's and Duncan played about the same number of minutes as Kawhi. It's too bad Splitter and Tony were not 100% in that series.

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    Not going to read through this topic because I'm sure it's full of the same bull as always, but what disappointed me with Kawhi in the LAC series wasn't his offense. It was his defense. He did a great job on Re to start, but then as the series went on he was basically non-existent on that end. I still think it's a bit unrealistic to expect Kawhi to become some 20+ ppg scorer with great efficiency, but what makes him so great is he doesn't have to score like that to be the best player on the court. Usually he can still have great impact even if he only scores 12-14 points. That wasn't the case against the Clippers though, and that's what surprised me most.
    You must have forgotten that Pop switched Kawhi's defensive assignment to Chris Paul (Danny on Re ) after CP3 went off in Gm 4 & he kept getting DOUBLE screened by Blake/DJ on those high do PnRs the Clippers were milking all series long. I remember folks on ST complaining about it & questioning Pop's decision.

    On the offensive side, Blake started doubling Kawhi in Gm 5 after they realized Tiago was done & Diaw couldn't hit an outside shot. Basically, what transpired in Gm 4 was the turning point of the series.

    Carmelo at 23 put up a worse offensive display than Kawhi against the Lakers in '08 under similar cir stances (double teams) & he did even put much effort on defense.
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    What bothered me the most was his rebounding tbh

    He's a great rebounder but looked passive and lazy in this series. I think Matt Barnes put a lot of physicality and affected him mentally.

    I'd like to see his rebounding #s with Barnes on off the court

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    What bothered me the most was his rebounding tbh

    He's a great rebounder but looked passive and lazy in this series. I think Matt Barnes put a lot of physicality and affected him mentally.

    I'd like to see his rebounding #s with Barnes on off the court
    Again, he was assigned to guard either Re or CP3 both of who play outside the paint. It's Porker/Danny/Tiago that got outplayed by Rivers/Barnes/Fat Baby.

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    Gonna bump this thread at season's end after kawhi makes Barnes his all season.

    As for Parker fans, I hope your boy has a bounce back season. That's good for the spurs.

    These kawhi v Parker crews are clashing too much. Keep it up and its gonna be bloods v crips level. Somebody's going to step on a sneaker at a game or kool mo Dee concert and a trolls going to get shot
    Would be a waste of time bumping this thread. Usually these clowns pull a disappearing act whenever kawhi is playing well. That stretch when kawhi was playing great back in march they were all quiet af. dumbphucks.

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    Would be a waste of time bumping this thread. Usually these clowns pull a disappearing act whenever kawhi is playing well. That stretch when kawhi was playing great back in march they were all quiet af. dumbphucks.
    What's up Bic? You forget your password for this alt?

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    What's up Bic? You forget your password for this alt?
    I'm nobody's alt. But you are obviously paranoid and stupid. I have no agenda. My posts and comments are all over the place. Gump

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    Lol, ZERO video of Barnes "owning" Kawhi.



    Let me know if you need more Darrin.

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    Kawhi will go balls deep on Barnes this year like an alpha inmate.
    Yeah and it won't matter because he didn't do it when it mattered

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    Yeah and it won't matter because he didn't do it when it mattered
    He will have a lot of "when it matters" moments I. The future, whether it be against Barnes or other competent defenders, so time will tell if last season was an aberration. If not, bump this.

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    Let me know if you need more Darrin.
    OMG Barnes entire highlight from the series are two plays that any competent 6'8" player would be able replicate.....OMG!

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    Wow don't remember Barnes dunking like that


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    Holy that dunk triggered Pop to take Kawhi out and put in Belinelli

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